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Dineen/Deneen, Reardon County Kerry/Cork
Posted by Matthew <mgnat45@yahoo.com> on Sat, 19 Mar 2005, in response to Our Dineen Family's, posted by Elaine Billings on Fri, 18 Mar 2005
Elaine,If you have the date of Mary's (Patrick's first wife's) death, you can obtain her death certificate. If you don't you may be able to get it from the gravestone. The death certificate is probably archived on microfilm now and I think you have to contact the Department of Health to get a copy. There's a fee, somewhere between $5 and $15 I think. If you can get the certificate, it usually will give you her maiden name, cause of death, and place of origin (usually just "Ireland", but somtimes a city), and of course the address where she was living at the time of death, and the cause of death, which is often wrong unless an autopsy was done. Given her relatively young age in 1918, one may have been done. On the other hand, there were so many deaths from influenza, maybe it was not routinely done. I don't what the health practices were back then (but there's a new book out about the flu epidemic).
I managed to find a St. Brendan's in the Catholic diocese that you named. It is located in the town of Tralee (as in Rose of Tralee), and appears to have been, and still be, a hub of church activity. Tralee is one of the major towns/cities in Kerry, very scenic, and is in the Northeast corner of the "Ring of Kerry", near Clare.
I'm a little confused, did grandma Edna marry William or Francis?
If William, you can get his WWI military service records through the National Archives and Records Administration (they have a website). You can print off the official request form for military service and pension records, and might learn some information about his family there, as well as his military service, campaigns in which he fought, citations for gallantry etc.
It's good that you have so many aunts and uncles still living. They can give you a lot of information about family history, they may have old birth, death, marriage, and baptismal certificates that you can look at (usually one family member holds on to the family's records, e.g., of your grandmother, grandfather, great grandparents etc.).
Another great resource is that in the late 19th and early 20th centuries when people got married, at least in the U.S., they often were given a family Bible, which has a geneaology section in the middle where people would record births, deaths, and dates etc. If you can find out who in your mothers family has it and make a copy of those pages, you might learn a lot.
As for Irish records, I haven't dealt with the Irish agencies or parishes directly. You can probably find out on-line who you would have to contact to get official records of births, deaths, marriages. I think copies of the records of parishes are kept in a central repository in Dublin because the parish priests don't have time to respond to all the requests. You can probably find out on the web who to contact to get a copy. If Patrick was baptized in Tralee it stands to reason he was born somewhere in Kerry, maybe Tralee or a small town nearby. If you baptismal certificate has a date of birth, this might be helpful to the clerks in Ireland in searching official records of County Kerry for a birth certificate. The birth certificate will list his father, father's occupation, and mother, and where they lived at the time of birth.
If you manage to find out anything else about Patrick's family, e.g., names of brothers and sisters (they often immigrated in a bunch and their names might be in a family Bible), or about his father Daniel and Catherine Reardon, pleas let me know. Also, if you know the burial plot number at Calvary, that might be helpful to me. It would be quite a coincidence if it was near that of my great grandfather, who is also at Calvary.
It seems entirely possible that Daniel Dineen and Michael Deneen/Dineen, our great great grandfathers, were brothers, and that Catherine, Mary, and my Jeremiah Reardon were brothers and sisters, and that your Mary and my Mary Reardon are one and the same person. I found with my mother's family (Connolly, County Tyrone) there were a lot of relationships between families (Connollys and Hugheses and Campbells, e.g.).
But we'd have to find out more to be sure our two families are the same because I'm sure both family names were common enough in Kerry and Cork for it just to be coincidence.
Cheers,
Matt
P.S. Where do you all live now? Long Island?
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