Genealogy Forum NEWS
August, 1998
US Civil War SIG Update
From The Weekly Fireside
by
GFS Jim@aol.com
The Guest "Tale" Thursday Night on the Cherokee History in the Civil War was absolutely phenomenal to say the least....... THANK YOU GFS Karen and GFS BB for pulling together this material for us. AND MUCH PRAISE to Peter Mingess for his willingness to share material from his upcoming book with us.
From all of us here in Civil War History we THANK YOU. For copyright reasons we will not post this material, but Peter has agreed to respond to personnal requests. Please email GFS Jim or GFS Jayne and we will pass on your request.....
To properly address all the happenings of the County Courthouse Records events that have been flashing through, a Special Edition goes out this week. I'll only publish it as new items come to me. There have been so much lately that I thought it would be a good idea to provide a "Public Forum" related to these events..... Hope you find this helpful....
FOR ALL THE 1ST TIMERS - "WELCOME" WE ENJOYED HAVING YOU :-)..... COME AGAIN....
The final continuing series in the newsletter, is on the Civil War Military Records which can be found at, or through film ordering at your local Family History Centers........ So many of you have been astonished that those records are available through the FHCs, that I thought this would be very useful in your research....
This upcoming Thursday is OPEN CHAT on Civil War History. Come join us...
THE HELP DESK
This segment is to address specific questions that hit our plate on Thursday night that we didn't have a chance to answer or needed a bit of time to check it out. Hope these answer the mail :D
Editor's Note: Regimental Histories and Letters, etc. Postings: keyword "roots", after which will bring you to the main screen of the Genealogy Forum. Select the "Files Library Center", then "History Files". At that point select "Civil War Files. Lectures are also posted in the "Files Library Center" under "History Lectures" as the Lecture Subject. Meeting Logs are posted in the "Files Library Center" under "Meeting Logs and Newsletters".
U.S. Military Records at the Family History Centers.............................
The next stage of series, I thought would be best to describe the various Types of Military Records available for Civil War researchers and those available through the FHC network.
Specific Union Sources...........................
Union Army soldiers may have served in the U.S. Army, local militia units mustered into federal service, or volunteer regiments raised by the individual states. The length of service varied from 90 days to three years. Many soldiers also re-enlisted serving in more than one regiment. The Union Army and Navy enlisted over 2.3 million men, of which nearly 359,000 died in combat or from wounds and disease.
Union Service Records
Service Records of Soldiers. - There is currently no master index to the names of soldiers who served in Union volunteer regiments. Note from the editor: A Union Soldiers Roster is in the making by Broadfoot Publishing, but it's incomplete. Individual indexes to state volunteer regiments are available on microfilm for every Northern state and every Southern state except South Carolina. Most service records have not been microfilmed and are available only at the National Archives. The following service records and indexes are available on microfilm at the National Archives and Family History Library........
...........states continued.
- Iowa. Index. National Archives Microfilm Publication M541 (FHL films 881,808-36; FHLC computer number 279543).
- Kansas. Index. National Archives Microfilm Publication M542 (FHL films 881,837-46; FHLC computer number 278711).
- Kentucky. Compiled Service Records, National Archives Microfilm Publication M397 (FHL films 1,487,066-275; 1,489,753-1,490,057; FHLC computer number 437572) and Index, National Archives Microfilm Publication M386 (FHL films 881,492-521; FHLC computer number 279582).
- Louisiana. Compiled Service Records, National Archives Microfilm Publication M396 (FHL films 1,380,930-979; FHLC computer number 437574) and Index, National Archives Microfilm Publication M387 (FHL films 831,926-29; FHLC computer number 280581).
- Maine. Index, National Archives Microfilm Publication M543 (FHL films 881,847-69; FHLC computer number 175675).
.........................to be continued...
From: GFS Acadian@aol.com
Subj: The Civil War in South Carolina
From: GaLinaHist@aol.COM (John Rigdon)
I've added a couple of thousand more names to my Civil War in South Carolina site primarily from the rosters of the men who surrendered at Appomattox.
This now brings the total to 7,817 names on line along with biographical notes on many of them and the units in which they served. This makes about 12% of the 65,000 men who served from South Carolina, and about 25% of the approx. 30,000 names I have found now on line.
Many thanks to the many who have helped to fill in the holes and correct errrors which have been found in the rosters.! I welcome any additional bio./ genealogical info. you may have on the men who served from SC.
Enjoy!
http://members.aol.com/superstore/sccd.htm
{{{Rosie}}} I don't know where you find this info, but keep those cards and letters rollin :-) PS: Keep Rosie in your prayers as she is a bit down lately. Going to the Doc to get checked out. Rosie - we'll be keeping you in our prayers. You hurry back now, "Hyar"?
DID YOU KNOW?? ...................................
Excerpts taken from "Best Little Stories from the Civil War" by C. Brian Kelly.....
In the House of Representatives, Washington D.C. in 1858, Galusha Grow of Pennsylvania uttered a few antislavery remarks, then wandered over to the Democratic side of the aisle to talk to a colleague. From there he responded to another member's remards, even though he was not at his seat....or even among his fellow Republicans.
None of this was lost upon South Carolina's Democratic representative, Laurence M. Keitt, who told the Pennsylvanian to "go back to your own side of the hall."
Grow replied: "This is a free hall and every man has a right to be where he pleases. I will object when and where I please."
Whereupon Keitt said, "Sir, I will let you know that you are a black Republican puppy."
Grow then said the hall belonged to the American people, he could stay where he pleased, "and no slave driver shall crack his whip over my head."
Seconds later, the fists flew in the House chamber. Keitt went down, knocked out cold by Grow's punch to the jaw. But the fight didn't end there ... or with them.
It wasn't as shocking as the time, in 1856, that South Carolina's representative, Preston Smith Brooks, strode into the Senate chamber and brode his gutta-perchacane beating on stridently abolitionist Senator Charles Sumner of massachusetts, but it was a bona fide fight on the House floor all right. Others immediately plunged into the melee. It is said that knives and even pistols were in evidence. Someone hurled a large spitton, and Representative William Barksdale of Mississippi lost his wig to a Wisconsin member. When Barksdale got it back, he put it on backward. The levity that resulted helped restore order to the House.
In 1863, Barksdale was killed at Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. In 1864, Keitt was killed at Cold Harbor, Virginia.
A BIT OF COMMUNITY............................
Check out the following member inputs for comments and requests for information, Feedbacks, Items of Interest and Pleas for HELP................
From: Bipsylou
To: GFS Jim
Enjoyed reading your info. I have been out of town and have three weeks of mail to catch up on.
D.Sands
Thanks for your feedback. It's good to know we're hitting the mark.... :-)
From: AslanJ
In a message dated 6/29/98 12:43:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, GFS Jim writes:
(You know this is a neat opportunity to encourage all of you to meet your Internet Friends if the opportunity ever presents itself to you. It is such a neat experience. Go for it :D)
Hi Fireside pals! I can't encourage you more to do what GFS Jim says to do with net friends. We just had our BRYAN reunion (in AL, though our BRYAN line went from Craven Co, NC to Barnwell Dist, SC and into GA. We don't have many who went to AL, but the Eufaula area Lake Point Natl Pk Lodge was a great place for a reunion). ANyway, we had 2 new friends/cousins, who have been in touch via email, come to the reunion and it was really great to meet them in person. It really IS a neat experience.
Judy Canant - FL
{{{Judy}}} It is indeed!!!!!
From: Pollyann9
Subj: neat regarding kiddos
Kids and love
Tips on love from those that should know (all questions were answered by kids, age 5-10)
WHAT IS THE PROPER AGE TO GET MARRIED?
"Eighty-four, because at that age you don't have to work anymore, and you can spend all your time loving each other in your bedroom." (Judy, 8)
"Once I'm done with kindergarten, I'm going to find me a wife" Tom, 5)
WHAT DO MOST PEOPLE DO ON A DATE?
"On the first date, they just tell each other lies, and that usually gets them interested enough to go for a second date" (Mike, 10)
WHEN IS IT OKAY TO KISS SOMEONE?
"You should never kiss a girl unless you have enough bucks to buy her a big ring and her own VCR, 'cause she'll want to have videos of the wedding" (Jim, 10)
"Never kiss in front of other people. It's a big embarrassing thing if anybody sees you. But if nobody sees you, I might be willing to try it with a handsome boy, but just for a few hours" (Kally, 9)
THE GREAT DEBATE: IS IT BETTER TO BE SINGLE OR MARRIED?
It's better for girls to be single but not boys. Boys need somebody to clean up after them" (Lynette, 9)
"It gives me a headache to think about that stuff. I'm just a kid. I don't need that kind of trouble" (Kenny, 7)
CONCERNING WHY LOVE HAPPENS BETWEEN TWO PARTICULAR PEOPLE
"No one is sure why it happens, but I heard it has something to do with how you smell. That's why perfume and deodorant are so popular" (Jan, 9)
"I think you're supposed to get shot with an arrow or something, but the rest of it isn't supposed to be so painful" (Harlen, 8)
ON WHAT FALLING IN LOVE IS LIKE
"Like an avalanche where you have to run for your life" (Roger, 9)
"If falling in love is anything like learning how to spell, I don't want to do it. It takes too long" (Leo, 7)
ON THE ROLE OF GOOD LOOKS IN LOVE
"If you want to be loved by somebody who isn't already in your family, it doesn't hurt to be beautiful" (Jeanne, 8)
"It isn't always just how you look. Look at me. I'm handsome like anything and I haven't got anybody to marry me yet" (Gary, 7)
"Beauty is skin deep. But how rich you are can last a long time" (Christine, 9)
CONCERNING WHY LOVERS OFTEN HOLD HANDS
"They want to make sure their rings don't fall off because they paid good money for them" (Dave, 8)
CONFIDENTIAL OPINIONS ABOUT LOVE
"I'm in favor of love as long as it doesn't happen when 'The Simpsons'is on television" (Anita, 6)
"Love will find you, even if you are trying to hide from it. I have been trying to hide from it since I was five, but the girls keep finding me" (Bobby, 8)
"I'm not rushing into being in love - I'm finding fourth grade hard enough"(Regina, 10)
THE PERSONAL QUALITIES NECESSARY TO BE A GOOD LOVER
One of you should know how to write a check. Because, even if you have tons of love, there is still going to be a lot of bills" (Ava, 8)
SOME SUREFIRE WAYS TO MAKE A PERSON FALL IN LOVE WITH YOU
"Tell them that you own a whole bunch of candy stores" (Del, 6)
"Don't do things like have smelly, green sneakers. You might get attention, but attention ain't the same thing as love" (Alonzo, 9)
"One way is to take the girl out to eat. Make sure it's something she likes to eat . French fries usually works for me" (Bart, 9)
HOW CAN YOU TELL IF TWO ADULTS EATING DINNER AT A RESTAURANT ARE IN LOVE?
"Just see if the man picks up the check. That's how you can tell if he's in love" (John, 9)
"Lovers will just be staring at each other and their food will get cold. Other people care more about the food" (Brad, 8)
"It's love if they order one of those desserts that are on fire. They like to order those because it's just like how their hearts are on fire"(Christine, 9)
WHAT MOST PEOPLE ARE THINKING WHEN THEY SAY "I LOVE YOU"
"The person is thinking: Yeah, I really do love him. But I hope he showers at least once a day." (Michelle, 9)
HOW A PERSON LEARNS TO KISS
"You learn it right on the spot when the gooshy feelings get the best of you"(Doug, 7)
"It might help to watch soap operas all day" (Carin, 9)
WHEN IS IT OKAY TO KISS SOMEONE?
"It's never okay to kiss a boy. They always slobber all over you. That's why I stopped doing it" (Jean, 10)
HOW TO MAKE LOVE ENDURE
"Spend most of your time loving instead of going to work" (Tom, 7)
"Be a good kisser. It might make your wife forget that you never take out the trash" (Randy, 8)
LOL - Polly :-) GREAT!
From: FI WATROUS
Remember Me?
Hello! Remember Me? Some call me Old Glory, others call me the Star Spangled Banner, but whatever they call me, I am your Flag - the Flag of the United States of America... There has been something that has been bothering me, so I thought that I might talk it over with you here today. I remember some time ago, (I think it was Memorial Day, or was it Veterans'Day?) that people were lined up on both sides of the street for a parade. A high school band was behind me and, naturally, I was leading the parade. When your Daddy saw me coming along waving in the breeze, he immediately removed his hat and placed it so that his right hand was directly over his heart. And you - I remember you. Standing there as straight as a soldier, you didn't have any hat, but you were giving me the right salute. Remember they taught you in school to place your right hand over your heart, and little sister, not to be outdone, was saluting the same as you. There were some soldiers, home on leave and they were standing at attention giving the military salute. Oh, I was very proud as I came down your street that day. Now, I may sound as if I am a little conceited, Well I am! I have a right to be, because I represent you, the people of the United States of America. But what happened? I am still the same old flag. Oh, I have a couple more stars added since you were a boy. A lot more stars added since the beginning of this country, and lot more blood shed since that patriotic day so long ago. Now I don't feel as proud as I used to. When I come down your street, some people just stand there with their hands in their pockets and give me a small glance and then look away. I see children running around and shouting. They don't seem to know who I am. Is it a sin to be patriotic anymore? Have some people forgotten what I stand for? Have they forgotten all the battlefields where men have fought and died to keep this nation free? When you salute me you are actually saluting them! Take a look at the memorial rolls some time. Look at the names of those who never came back. Some of them were friends and relatives of yours. That's whom you are saluting, not me! Well, itwon't be long until I'll be coming down your street again. So, when you see me, stand straight, place your hand over your heart and you'll see me waving back-- that's my salute to you. And then I will know you remember who I am...
Author unknown --
"Ike" As ever, awesome, material... Thank you friend :-)
Subj: Joshua L. Chamberlain Museum
From: FI WATROUS
PEJEPSCOT HISTORICAL SOCIETY - JOSHUA L. CHAMBERLAIN MUSEUM
http://www.curtislibrary.com/pejepscot.htm
Thanks Ike....
From: AJoycee
Thanks so much, for all the mail so far. I wish my brother did have an E-mail Address. I would sure pass it on if he had one.!!! Sure appreciate the correspondence so far. If he does get one soon, I know you will be hearing from him.. Thanks again Joyce
{{{Joyce}}} Well, hope I hear from him, then that'll let you off the hook - LOL...
From: PinkPJ1934
Thank you again for the weekly fireside
Truly enjoy reading them.
Sincerely
pinkpj1934 [Eleanor}
{{Eleanor}} It is entirely our pleasure.....
From: Dinahme
Again I would like to take a minute to say a great big THANK YOU to you and the rest of the great people that make this happen. I work constantly in trying to preserve every little bit of information I can about the War Between the States, its stories and everything that came and went with it.
We "Johnny Rebs" have to try to hold on to our heritage, we have to try to keep the real history, the truth, alive and to the future generations, if present day historians have their way the way thing will be really "Gone with the Wind."
How can people deliberately and willfully destroy documentation that is absolutely priceless, like the people or county commission did in Fairmont W. Virginia?
Again Thanks for keeping this going.
HORRIBLE HORRIBLE
Deanna Bryant Dinahme@aol.com
{{Deanna}} Thank you for the feedback. And a big THANKS to Ted (BULLDOGTJR) and Ike (FIWATROUS) for keeping the information flowing in. Don't forget to check the Special Edition on this topic.
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OUR GOAL: to enhance your Genealogy activity, knowledge, and "wisdom" by talking about the history surrounding their lives and actions; specifically the "Civil War" that our ancestors lived through and died because of.
OUR PROMISE: to provide an "online" environment that is NOT judgemental and to address ALL aspects of this "Pivotal Period" in our History, with honesty and truth (where we know it).
We do "Fireside Stories" about the battles, the people and the social happenings. In addition we dedicate one Thursday a month to the sharing Songs, Poems and Letters from that era. So come back and visit; we'll save you a seat at the Fireside, and keep the Cider warm..... For a full listing of upcoming events, either look on the Schedule at the end of this Notice or in the Upcoming Events of the Genealogy Forum.
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AND TO YOU "FIRST-TIMERS" THIS WEEK, "Welcome"... :)
We heartily enjoyed your visit and participation. We relish what members bring to the discussions, and we hope to see more of you.... Note that for any reason, should you desire to be removed from distribution of this "Weekly Missif", just drop us a line and we will comply with your wishes "poste-haste".
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8/6/98 - "An Ending and a Beginning" - GFS Jim I'm trying something a little different on this one....
8/13/98 - "Letters, Songs and Poems" Night.
8/20/98 - OPEN CHAT
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