Subject:  96-11-19 Beg.-Thanksgiving Talk
Date:  1/5/97

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BAATEN:	Looking for ATEN & GOODELL families across then US. Have over 25,000 GOODELL/GOODALE ON FTM.
GFS Val:	Hi everyone!!!!
BAATEN:	Baaten
GFS Val:	Good to see you all...feel free to share the surnames in CAPS that you are
GFS Val:	researching and ask any basic beginner questions.
JStroup540:	What is the topic today?
GFS Karen:	Hi Everyone :):)
PKKratz:	Kratz..........researching BUSHROD, FAUNTLEROY and GRIFFIN in early VA
BAATEN:	BAATEN 
GFS Val:	Jayne> Today is a special Thanksgiving/Pilgrims talk.
JStroup540:	Oh yah!  My kids always played the Pilgrim in those great elementary school plays.
JStroup540:	What is IM?  I forget so easily.  Must be senile.
GFS Val:	Jayne> neat....so far mine hasn't.
GFS Val:	IM = Instant Message.
JStroup540:	Did you see in the Dear Myrtle section about the government possibly stopping us doing research.
BAATEN:	Anyone interested in GOODELL/GOODALE clan?
JStroup540:	Title of subject is "Threat to Genealogist.
JSteates:	Anyone for Ireland?
JStroup540:	We must write our congressmen or women.
GFS Val:	JSeates> We sometimes get some beginners with Ireland roots.  The
GFS Val:	best thing is to attend the SIG on Friday night as well.  Whatcha need?
JSteates:	The name Power
BAATEN:	Have over 25,000 on FTM and will search. Give Name-Birthdate.
Merf5555:	what is SIGs?
JSteates:	Where ?
GFS Val:	SIG = Special Interest Groups - our chats! 
GFS Karen:	BAATEN  you have over 25,000  names on your program ?
GFS Val:	JS> The Irish/Scots SIG meets on Friday at 10pm EST for 2 hours in the
GFS Val:	Ancestral Digs room.
GFS Val:	JS> anything we can help you with?
JSteates:	I'll be there!
GFS Val:	JS> The best piece of knowledge you need for Ireland is you MUST have the
GFS Val:	EXACT place of origin before you can ever start there.
JSteates:	OK
JStroup540:	Someone told me to find my hometown page on the web by going to Yahoo or Magellan.  Do you know how to
JStroup540:	this?  I do not have a clue.
JSteates:	What are you looking for?
GFS Val:	Jayne> You won't have a home page if you didn't create one.
GFS Karen:	JS  have you checked the Gen Web ?
JSteates:	Where are you from?
GFS Val:	Jayne>  If you are looking for a web site that has your state or town, by using
GFS Karen:	For the county ?
GFS Val:	YAHOO you can do a word search.  Go to Keyword Yahoo.  Or if you have
JStroup540:	No, I mean someone else did that.  I am from Auburn Maine about 30 miles north of Portland.
GFS Val:	AOL version 3.0 you can click on Web Sites at the top of your screen and
GFS Val:	double click on Yahoo.
GFS Val:	Jayne> Just typed how to do that.
GFS Val:	Since is today's talk is quite lengthy.....let's go ahead and get started.
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GFS Karen:	Today I am going to share a lecture with you that was written by GFS Sam, GFSRAnn and Watchcrow. They wrote it for our Native American SIG and the New England SIG. I enjoyed it when the first gave it and wanted to share it with you. So here we go.
GFS Karen:  GFS Sam: The reason behind the Pilgrims' voyage to America can be traced back to the religious upheaval that
began in the reign of King Henry VIII. Henry denounced the
Pope and created the Church of England, keeping the Catholic form, but substituting himself as the head of the church.  Those who resisted the change were subject to imprisonment, confiscation of property or beheading. When Henry's daughter, Mary (Bloody Mary) assumed the throne, she restored Roman Catholicism as the official religion. But Mary died and her half-sister, Elizabeth I succeeded her and returned the country to the Anglican Church. Meanwhile, new dogmas were being espoused by John Knox in Scotland, John Calvin in Switzerland and Martin Luther in Germany. By the time James I took the English crown in 1602/3, England was divided between old-time Catholics, conforming Anglicans and a variety of Protestants. Among the latter were Puritans and
Separatists, two groups who are still generally confused
with each other. The Puritans were a movement within the
Church of England. Followers of this doctrine believed that
the original Christian faith had been corrupted by time and
"human invention", and wished to restore the church to its
ancient "purity". These "Puritans" were the ones who settled the MA Bay Colony and emigrated to America during the "Great Migration", between 1628 - 1641. The Separatists, on the other hand, fiercely believed that they were entitled to the right of freedom of conscience, thought and speech. They wanted to read the Bible for themselves and come to their own conclusions. If they could not worship as they wished in the established church, they wanted to right to withdraw or "separate" to set up one of their own. The established Church of England, however, DEMANDED that everyone do and believe exactly as they were told. It could not tolerate the existence of a Separatist society, and once again persecution became the order of the day. Those who refused to toe the line were locked up and the more stubborn were sent to the stake or gallows. In 1608 one group of Separatists, under the leadership of William Brewster and William Bradford moved to Holland which was far more tolerant of religious dissenters. They lived in Amsterdam for a year, then moved to Leiden/Leyden. Life was not perfect in Holland, though. Economic conditions were difficult, as most of the English were not citizens and could not benefit from the privileges thereof. Employment possibilities were very limited and many were forced to put their children to work. After 11 or 12 years, they decided to make the voyage to America. Not everyone in Leiden left in 1620. Some followed later, many others remained permanently. The Holland Separatists were joined in Plymouth, England by other Separatists and by people not of their faith known as "Strangers" with whom they had to travel for financial reasons. The voyage began in two ships; however, the "Speedwell" sprang a leak and had to return to Plymouth. On Sept. 6, 1620, the Mayflower alone set sail, and the rest, as they say, is history. The voyage could NOT have been a pleasant one. In addition to some mishaps at sea - a main beam split during a storm; and John Howland fell
overboard, but was rescued - (Betsey, that's for you!) the
conditions on the Mayflower left much to be desired. There
were no sanitary facilities - just the traditional bucket.
There was no place to bathe. One can only imagine the
stench that exisited below deck in the narrow, cramped
quarters. The North Atlantic is always cold and passengers found it difficult to stay warm. They lived on a montonous diet of hard tack, dried fish, cheese and beer. Their destination was in the Viriginia territory (where they
had a patent for colonizing), but they sailed further north
outside the Virginia limits. Exactly WHY they did this is
not clearly known. Some have theorized that it as to escape the jurisdiction of the Anglican Church which governed Virginia; Bradford, in his history, maintained that they arrived in MA either "by accident or by treachery of Capt. Christopher Jones." Whatever the reason, they explored the Cape Cod area, the Provincetown Harbor, and on Dec. 12 they began exploring the Plymouth Harbor. 102 passengers sailed from England. One died at sea; 4 more died while anchored in Provincetown Harbor. The entire crew of the ship stayed with the settlers through the winter of 1620/21 and about half of them died before sailing the Mayflower back to England in April. Of the settlers, only 51 were still alive when the next ship, the "Fortune" arrived in November, 1621. While still in Provincetown Harbor, several of the group claimed that since they had not gone to VA, they had the right to live as they pleased and take orders from no one. Bradford said that the Mayflower Compact was, in part, a result of this dissension. The Mayflower Compact stated essentially,
that each person would subject himself to majority rule.
Every grade schooler is taught that the Mayflower Compact
is one of the most important documents in American
democracy. For its time, it was indeed a remarkable
statement of new ideas and principles, but it was hardly
"democratic" as we use the word today. The most obvious
example of this is to examine who was permitted to sign it.
It was first signed by those had had the right to use the
title "Mr." - the elite among the group. Separatists and
Strangers were equally represented. John Carver, who
became the first governor, signed first, followed by William
Bradford, Edward Winslow, William Brewster, Isaac
Allerton, Myles Standish, Deacon Fuller, Chistopher Martin, William Mullins, William White, Richard Warren and Stephen Hopkins. Next the "goodmen" (the poorer and humbler freemen) were asked to sign. Only 27 of them did. Finally, a few of the servants were asked, or ordered, to sign. The women were excluded as they were not free agents, but the legal "property" of their husbands. The original Mayflower colonists struggled alone in Plymouth for nearly a year before other settlers arrived. They were not completely isolated, however, as English fishing ships and ships engaged in other colonizing efforts called on them. Many of the wives and children of the Pilgrims arrived in later ships, beginning with the "Fortune" and continuing with the "Shallop", "Anne", "Little James","Mayflower II", "Talbot", "Handmaid" and others. With the arrival of more people came the need for "elbow room" which meant the creation of new towns. Between 1633-1643 these towns were settled - Duxbury, Marshfield, Scituate, Yarmouth and Taunton. They were all extensions of the original Plymouth colony. Of all the myths and legends that surround the Mayflower, perhaps none is as
strange as the use of the word "Pilgrims." The Mayflower
passengers had no name for themselves as a group. The word was first applied to them by Bradford writing his history many years later, and did not become a household word in America until Bradford's history was rediscovered and published in 1856. It was only then that interest in the
Pilgrims and the events in which they participated gripped
the American nation. Thanksgiving did not become a holiday until 1863 when President Lincoln declared it a national holiday. The very first Thanksgiving was celebrated over a period of three days by the Pilgrims and neighboring Wampanoag Indians who supplied much of the food - venison, waterforwl, dried berries, shellfish and cornbread. There is no mention of turkeys. The Pilgrims did not dress in the drab clothes we have come to associate with the Puritans, who banned "gay apparel." Only on the Sabbath did they wear funeral blacks and grays. Normally they wore russet browns and Lincoln greens. Some had quite large and colorful wardrobes. Inventories left by the colonists reveal much of everyday life. Feather beds were a prized possession, passed down from one generation to the next. Other items frequently
mentioned in the inventories were pewter ware, farm
equipment, cows, oxen, books, pails, saddles, sheets and
blankets, kettles, horses, tableclothes, looking glasses
and even a case of liquor. Yes, the Pilgrims were NOT
teetotalers and enjoyed their wine and beer. (In fact, they
were suspicious of water and regarded this substance as a
cause of their many ills.) They passed laws against various sexual acts and, being human, broke them repeatedly. There are numerous instances of the colonists being brought before their magistrates on charges of "fornication",  "inconetinency before marriage" and "carnall coppulation."  As punishment, law-breakers were usually fined or whipped or, in extreme cases, excommunicated. A typical case occurred 26 Oct 1686 in the Court of General Sessions and Common Pleas when Mary Sutton of Scituate confessed fornicication with Joseph Booth and was sentenced to a 5 pound fine. Mary Sutton, under oath, testified that Joseph Booth was the father of her child and charged him with "Divers times bodily and Carnall Knowledge of her within the months of April and May, 1686." I am particularly amused with this account, as Mary Sutton is my 7g grandma! She was married to Benjamin Booth, Joseph's brother! (So much for MY family tree, huh? <g>) The Pilgrims had to work very hard in
order to survive. There were butchers, carpenters,
bricklayers, blacksmiths, tailors and wheelwrights. Fishing
was an important industry, but the most important one was
farming. A prosperous farmer tending land he owned was
called a yeoman, socially just below the gentry - gentlemen addressed as "Mr." (pronounced "Master"). A husbandman cultivated crops though frequently on leased land. Below yeomen on the social scale came "goodman." A woman was called "goodwife", sometimes shortened to "goody." Plymouth was not the first colony to be settled in America. Roanoke Colony was established in the 1580's on Roanoke Island near North Carolina, though the settlers vanished without a trace. Jamestown was settled in Virginia in 1607, again earlier than Plymouth. The Dutch settled New Amsterdam by 1614. So why do we revere the Mayflower and its Pilgrims? Plymouth, unlike Roanoke and Jamestown, prospered. And the Pilgrims themselves did not come here seeking adventure, wealth or glory. They came here because of an idea - the idea that they were entitled to govern themselves. For anyone who wishes to become a member of the Mayflower Society, one usually joins the chapter of the State in which he or she lives. I have all State addresses available, but please e-mail me if you wish any address. To be considered for membership, you must be able to prove beyond any doubt,
a straight blood line descendancy back to one of the
original Mayflower passengers. This means obtaining
copies of birth or baptismal certificates, marriage licenses
and, as you go further back in time, other church records,
deeds, land records, diaries, letters, census records, etc.
Initially, the applicant is required to fill out a proposal form naming the ancestor through whom the person wishes to
join the society and to cite the documentary proof. The
society must then verify this documentation prior to
acceptance of the proposal by the Board of Directors. Once the candidate's proposal and ancestor(s) have been approved, a set of lineage papers is provided to the applicant for completion in order to prove blood descent from the ancestor claimed. References: "Plymouth Colony, Its History and People 1620-1691" by Eugene Aubrey Stratton, Ancestry Pub. 1986; "Of Plymouth Plantation 1620-1647" by William Bradford, edited by Samuel Eliot Morrison, 1952; "Saints and Strangers" by George P. Willison; "Mayflower Increasings, 2nd Edition" by Susan E. Roser, 1995. And now GRATEFULLY passing the floor over to Rosie!
In a short time, many Americans will be joining with loved
ones to give thanks for the blessings bestowed on them
throughout the past year. Thanksgiving Day commemorates the original gathering of the Pilgrims in 1621, spawned by a bountiful harvest that saved them from a second devastating winter. They proclaimed the event to be a time for thanksgiving and invited the neighboring tribe of Wampanoags to join in the celebration. The Wampanoags did not hesitate -- for this was nothing strange to them; they had been celebrating thanksgiving for hundreds of years already. Native people all across Turtle Island (North America) have regularly offered celebrations of thanks for thousands of years; especially at harvest time. While most native nations practiced these ceremonies with the changing of the seasons or with the conclusion of a particular harvest, many did so at every solar event. The frequency of these celebrations tied to the spiritual ways of native people, that is, the desire to insure balance throughout all of nature. My people, the Nipmuc and Narragansett, celebrate thanksgiving several times throughout the year (which begins in the May). These ceremonies include Strawberry Moon, Green Corn/Green
Bean Moon, Harvest Moon, Cranberry Moon and Maple Sugar Moon. Such celebrations occurred not only in the
Northeast among Woodland tribes, but all throughout the
continent. Perhaps the best known festival of thanks is the
Green Corn Dance. The Choctaw, Narragansett, Creek, Pequot, Mississippian, Cochiti, Pueblo, Nipmuc and Mohegan were just a few of the native nations who extended their gratitude with a Green Corn Dance. Some of these tribes celebrated the harvest in late August/early September, calling to Kitche Manitou or Kautantowit (Creator/Great Spirit) to bless the corn fields and to offer their thanks for weather suitable for growing good crops. The Wampanoags were accustomed to this practice, thus when the Pilgrims extended the Thanksgiving invitation to them, they whole-heartedly accepted it and prepared to *party hardy*. The 55 Pilgrims were astonished to see more than 90 native men arrive with 5 deer to share. Pilgrims and Wampanoags offered thanks by dancing, praying and singing, followed by games and feasting. All this they would have done at their own Green Corn Dance, had the Pilgrims not extended the invitation. The native festival often lasted through the night for several days, including prayer, song, dance and either feasting or fasting depending on the individual group. Fasting sometimes occurred when the people felt that balance needed to be insured or restored. Instead of consuming the great amounts of the harvested food, it might be shared with the animal relations and this, in turn, would come back to
them later by insuring good hunting throughout the winter.
Green Corn Dance is only one of many different native
thanksgiving celebrations. The Lakota Sioux nation, in late
summer, offers its ultimate expression of thanks -- the Sun
Dance. Ojibwa, Menominee and Winnebago people give thanks following their harvest of wild rice. Inupiat Eskimos dance in thanksgiving following a whale hunt. To whom do the native people offer their thanks? Common to most native beliefs, all things in nature have a special role: all
things --every rock, tree, ant, and plant is important
because it is part of the whole. Because of that importance, everything deserves respect and gratitude when used.  Therefore, in addition to Creator being thanked, one might thank Father Sun, Mother Earth, Rain and the Plant people for good crops. When game was hunted anytime, not only for a celebration, the hunter would offer an apology to the animal, fish or bird about to give its life. Afterward, a prayer of thanks was extended to the victim and a gift offered, often sacred tobacco or food for its spirit.  Sometimes a hunter would sing his own special song to thank an animal. Inupiat hunters offer thanks to the spirits of the whales. Some Woodland people offer maple sugar at the graves of their relations who have passed on, in gratitude and to provide nourishment for their spirits. Still today at many native feasts, before the food is eaten, it is blessed by a medicine person and a plate is prepared with portions of each food to be eaten. It is the best of the food, taken before anyone eats, and it is set off in a secluded area for the spirits of the ancestors joining in the celebration to share. They are thanked for their wisdom and their traditions, and honored with the best, not the left-overs. The feast was not the only aspect of the thanksgiving celebration. Sports, tests of skill and games of chance were popular, especially when a neighboring tribe or several bands within a tribe gathered. Competition was welcomed.  Dancing and singing were and still are a large part of the feasts.  Dances can be expressions of one's self and are often offered as prayers. Dale Carson, Western Abenaki, once said of dance: *The dancing--patting of feet--are all at once a kiss, a thank you and a prayer to our Mother Earth....* Thus, there were dances specific to the occasion and dances by the individual; those that were solo, and those for which the entire group participated. And so, friends, as we gather with the ones we love this Thanksgiving, remember that the Pilgrims' *First Thanksgiving* was actually THEIR first thanksgiving on Turtle Island. Celebrate the goodness of all that is
around you, and...don't forget to dance! :D  That concludes GFH Crow's chat :)
GFS Karen: GFS RAnn: Now, my portion of the chat will deal with how the Native Americans' part in the first Pilgrim Thanksgiving :) Oops--take out how" from that sentence :) In the winter of 1616, an infection ravaged the natives of the coastal territory known as New England with a viciousness that made the historical recorders of this event think of smallpox and yellow fever. An unprecedented force in the wilderness region, the plague was brought by European traders and adventurers whose ships were exploring the yet unsettled lands. In the two years during which the fever spread through their villages, perhaps a third of the peoples living between the Narragansett Bay and the Piscataqua River died. Tribes that had been flourishing and strong grew weak; weak tribes disappeared. Among the tribes that were nearly swept out of existence was a tawny
strong-limbed group of people called the Massachusetts.
Before the plague they had been one of the most powerful
of the Algonquin people, and their dialects could be heard
from the Virginia Tidewater to the rim of the Canadian
Arctic. South of the Massachusetts on the curve of a
sheltered bay, lived the Wampanoags, who had also been
decimated by the fever. Whole villages had perished on the shoreline, leaving the land open for settlement. Europeans had fished and traded on the northern coasts of the New World for years, but the first to settle and survive were the "Saints" of a separatist church--that group which we know through our American History classes as Pilgrims. On September 6, 1620, the Pilgrims, together with many others who had joined the venture in hopes of improving their lot, set sail in the Mayflower for what they expected to be Virginia. For two months the small ship braved the strong winds of the fall weather to move westward over the vast ocean. Then, in early November, a thin edge of land appeared over the horizon. As they drew closer, those on board saw that it was "Cape Cod" in New England, which had been discovered about eighteen years before. The Pilgrims scouted the cape and its environs for a month. Then, just before Christmas, they crossed the bay in a freezing rainstorm to a harbor they thought suitable for settling. On Christmas Day, they began to erect the first house of their colony, which they called Plymouth. Situated on high ground, it had a commanding view of the harbor. There was no forest adjacent--a protection from attack--while the fields around were already cleared and had been cultivated for corn. It was not for several months that the Pilgrims learned that they had
settled in a village which four years earlier had been called Patuxet, one of the communities obliterated by the plague. The first winter in the New World was harsh on the Pilgrim settlement. Weakened by their ordeal at sea, the settlers were wracked by scurvy and pneumonia. In three months, half of all those who had come on the Mayflower had been buried in graves beneath the New England snow. Then,
about March 16, 1621, as the Pilgrims gathered to discuss
their colony's situation, a tall raven-haired warrior, naked
except for a leather fringe around his waist, strode into
their midst and began to welcome them in broken English. His name was Samoset, sagamore of Pemaquid. His English was learned from the fishermen and adventurers who frequented the northern coast in the early years part of the seventeenth century. Eight months before, one of their ships had carried him to the cape to stay among the Wampanoags, the principal tribe of the surrounding region. Now he explained to them that they had planted their New Plymouth in the destroyed Patuxet village of this tribe. Samoset's talk extended into the evening, and the Pilgrims showed their hospitality to their guest with a festive dinner
of pudding, duck, and "strong water." When Samoset left the following morning, he promised to return with members of the Wampanoag tribe and their sachem, Massasoit, and to bring beaver for trade.  The colonists presented Samoset with a ring, a bracelet and a knife as tokens of gratitude. Four or five days after Samoset's visit the Wampanoag sachem arrived at the outskirts of Plymouth with sixty of his warriors.  Their faces were painted and some wore skins, while others were naked (obviously a hardy tribe to be naked in New England in March <smile>). A long knife hung from Massasoit's chest, his face was painted red with deep mulberry, and as his special mark he had a "great chain of white bone beads about his neck." Behind his head hung a little bag of tobacco, which he offered to the Pilgrims as they came to meet him with gifts. When Massasoit departed, he left behind his interpreter, Squanto, a native of Patuxet. Squanto's English was better than Samoset's. He had been kidnapped six years earlier by an English adventurer named Hunt, who had abducted twenty Patuxet and seven Nauset braves and sold them into slavery in Spain for twenty pounds a head. Later Squanto had been released from capitivity and
shipped to England. In 1619, he had returned home to find
his family and entire community wiped out by the plague.
Squanto showed the Plymouth settlers how to plant and tend seeds native to the area, so that a crop would be ready for the next winter. He showed them how to set the seed and fertilize it with fish caught in the Town Brook. Soon the Pilgrim community came to regard Squanto as "a special instrument sent of God for their good beyond their
expectation." In mid-October 1621, Massasiot and ninety of his braves were invited to Plymouth for a three-day feast
of Thanksgiving, to celebrate the peace between their
peoples and the harvest that Squanto had sown. (Squanto
himself died less than a year afterward, stricken suddenly
with the plague. He bequeathed his possessions to the
Pilgrims as "remembrances of his love".) The Pilgrim
historians have not left us any "bill of fare" for this
celebration, but we can gather from some writings of the
time some knowledge of what they may have had during the feast. Certainly, seafood was abundant--the natives
provided oysters and the best varieties of fish to their new
neighbors. Ducks and geese were also plentiful, as well as other game (especially venison and partridges). And <smile>, with all respect to my good friend GFS Sam, my source reports the following: "And, above all, they had the
turkey, of which they found a 'great store' in the forest--the turkey, thus early crowned queen of their bounty, and to
which example their descendants, even though they may have failed to imitate them in other respects, have always been loyal." Also, there was bread--both the barley loaf and cakes of Indian meal. As for vegetables, there were a
number of possiblities--parsnips, carrots, turnips, onions,
and squash among them. The Pilgrims had allowed the pumpkins vines to climb their cornstalks and it is possible that one of our most traditional Thanksgiving dishes graced this feast--a pumpkin pie. Strawberries, gooseberries and
raspberries were out of season, but the Pilgrims may have
dried some in the summer for later use, together with the
several varieties of plums that grew in the woodland. Despite the fact we know so little of the actual occasion of
the first gathering so long ago, we know enough of what
was at hand to fairly say that it was a royal feast the
Pilgrims spread that first golden autumn they spent in
Plymouth, worthy of their Native American guests, and
altogether credible to those of us who in just a few days
will continue this tradition shared by both Pilgrims and
Native Americans of a harvest celebration.
GFS Karen: I want to thank GFS Sam, Rosie, and Watchcrow for the lecture that was given today. They did a wonderful job.
GFS Val:	Yes ***************OPEN CHAT****************
GFS Karen:	Are there any questions we can help you with?
JStroup540:	What an excellent talk!! I am somehow related to poor John Howland but will be researching long and ha
MM60 fan:	I was hoping that someone could point me in the right direction to locate some information
GFS Karen:	JS  I know what you mean .  My Native American
GFS Karen:	Ancestors  were there and I have no names .
GFS Val:	MM60> What type of information??
JStroup540:	Hard on his where abouts. The Indian who came from Pemiquid would that be Pemiquid Pont in Maine.
MM60 fan:	My family is from coastal NC.  Mother was one of 17 children only 3 survive, 2with alsheimer
MM60 fan:	1 with stroke, courhouse burned in 1913 where can I find records
RACE FEVER:	I am searching for relatives in italy and was wondering if there was a phone book source in
RACE FEVER:	english online somewhere
GFS Val:	MM60> there are many records.......  1920 back to 1790 Federal Population
GFS Karen:	Race  I am not sure if there is one for Italy  have you checked Yahoo ?
GFS Val:	Censuses, Probate Packets, Land/Deed Records, Church records, Cemetery
GFS Karen:	Or the Web browser ?
GFS Val:	records, and to see if any of them have been microfilmed, you would go to your
RACE FEVER:	no would that be keyword yahoo
JStroup540:	When you get into Yahoo where is the best place to go to seek information?
GFS Val:	local Family History Center where a volunteer can help you with that. <G>
Sprite4est:	MINIGER,LITTLE,SORENSESN,GRIENER
GFS Karen:	Race you would click on Web sites and click on Yahoo and then search .
GFS Val:	Jayne> Yahoo is a search engine.  You then type in a word that you are
GFS Val:	looking for.
MM60 fan:	Val where do I find these records, there is no local family center that I can find
GFS Karen:	Type in Italy  and if it is there it will list it .
GFS Val:	MM60> have you checked your telephone book to look under Church of
GFS Val:	Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?  Or you can call your local library to find
GFS Val:	that out.
GFS Val:	also, all of those records are in different areas in the county.
GFS Val:	The county were the event took place.
MM60 fan:	I will try that.  Thank you very much for the help 
GFS Val:	MM> you're welcome.  Also go to the Beginner Start Here area
GFS Val:	and print out the 20 steps, the terminology, the
GFS Val:	bibliography and the genealogy supply company text files.
MM60 fan:	Val have already been to beginners start here, have one side of my family back to 1498
GFS Val:	MM>oh good.  Then you proceed the same way with your mother's side.....
GFS Val:	church records are good if you know or can find out what it was.
MM60 fan:	Was easy on dads side living people careful records, family bible and copies of everything
MM60 fan:	in storage
GFS Val:	MM> but you can find many records even with a burned county!  Many times you
GFS Karen:	Please share your surnames with us for the log .
GFS Val:	need to ask for delayed registrations, or they would ask the residents to come
GFS Karen:	SURNAME ROLL CALL.
GFS Val:	in and re-record their land deeds, wills, probates, etc.  OR  many times these
GFS Val:	records were stored elsewhere and survived the fire.
Tulsajackb:	Hello!  Did your request surnames for log?  Can we reference it?
GFS Karen:	Tulsa  sure did .
GFS Karen:	Tulsa  I am going to share it with everyone .
MM60 fan:	Karen, what is a surname rollcall?
JStroup540:	DUNN, LYON, LITTLEFIELD, STURGIS all in Maine.
GFS Karen:	MM  this is what it is .
Tulsajackb:	Blake, Dale, Early, Hornsby, Owen, Chitty.
GFS Karen:	PRICE , CARR, TOBIN , PATTERSON .   It is surnames you are researching .
Search4Kin:	MARSHALL(VA),  BROOKE(MD), MEADE(PA),
Search4Kin:	HARRISON(NJ), STEVENS(NY), SPENCER(CT),
Search4Kin:	CARR(RI), CHURCH(MA), PERKINS(NH), CLEEVE(ME)
GFS Val:	THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TODAY!!!!
MM60 fan:	Ried, Register, Bishop, Howell, from Germany and England
GFS Karen:	THANK YOU FOR COMING TODAY.
Tulsajackb:	Seeking parents of WILLIAM BLAKE, b. VA, c. 1740.
Tulsajackb:	WILLIAM BLAKE's fathjer poss THOMAS BLAKE, b. Middlesex Co., VA, 1713.
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