0 HEAD 1 SOUR FTW 2 VERS 5.00 2 NAME Family Tree Maker for Windows 2 CORP Broderbund Software, Banner Blue Division 3 ADDR 39500 Stevenson Pl. #204 4 CONT Fremont, CA 95439 3 PHON (510) 794-6850 1 DEST FTM 1 DATE 10 SEP 1998 1 CHAR IBMPC 1 SUBM @SUBM@ 1 FILE C:\FTW\Campbell.GED 1 GEDC 2 VERS 5.5 0 @SUBM@ SUBM 0 @I00721@ INDI 1 NAME Frank Gilbert /Campbell/ 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE 22 FEB 1877 2 PLAC Lawrence Kansas 1 DEAT 2 DATE 29 MAY 1942 2 PLAC Long Beach California ; buried Westminster cemetary 1 FAMC @F01@ 0 @I00839@ INDI 1 NAME Eli Wallace /Campbell/ 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE 7 OCT 1843 2 PLAC Niles, Trumbull County, Ohio 1 DEAT 2 DATE 11 MAR 1913 2 PLAC Cassody, Kansas 1 FAMS @F01@ 1 FAMC @F02@ 0 @I00840@ INDI 1 NAME William /Campbell/ 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE 20 FEB 1817 2 PLAC Pennsylvania 1 DEAT 2 DATE 2 AUG 1847 2 PLAC Indiana 1 FAMS @F02@ 1 FAMC @F03@ 0 @I00841@ INDI 1 NAME Catherine /McIntyre/ 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE 14 JUN 1817 2 PLAC (Lived in Ohio) 1 DEAT 2 DATE 21 AUG 1894 2 PLAC Iowa 1 FAMS @F02@ 1 FAMC @F04@ 1 NOTE @NI00841@ 0 @NI00841@ NOTE 1 CONC The Clan MacIntyre 1 CONT 1 CONT Clan MacIntyre Discussion Area 1 CONT Clan MacIntyre Society 1 CONT 1 CONT Motto: Per ardua - Through difficulties 1 CONT Badge: A hand holding a dirk on which is impaled a snowball 1 CONT Tartan: MacIntyre 1 CONT Plant Badge: Froach Gorm (Common Heath) 1 CONT Gaelic Name: Mac an t-Saoir - The Carpenter's Son 1 CONT War Cry: Cruachan - A mountain near Loch Awe 1 CONT 1 CONT The MacIntyres were known as Mac Ant-Saoir, meaning the children of the 1 CONC carpenter and came initially from the Hebrides settling in Lorn in the 1 CONC 14th century. It is claimed in an old tradition that the family were 1 CONC formally Macdonald. One day at sea a galley sprung a leak and one of the 1 CONC Macdonalds forced his thumb into the hole and cut it off, thus enabling 1 CONC the boat to reach its destination safely. He was henceforth known as 1 CONC "Ant-saoir" and his descendants Macan t-saoir. Whatever the exact origins 1 CONC of the clan they seem to have become established in Glenoe, Argyllshire 1 CONC around 1300, where they became feudal inferiors to the Campbells of 1 CONC Glenorchy. This family were considered the principal branch until 1806 1 CONC when they were forced to part with their lands and emigrated to America. 1 CONC The MacIntyres were also connected with several other clans, they were 1 CONC hereditary foresters to the Stewarts of Lorn, and ten were killed or 1 CONC wounded in the Appin regiment at Culloden in 1746. A branch of the clan 1 CONC followed the Campbells of Craignish, while another moved to Badenoch, and 1 CONC in 1496 were admitted as a sept of Clan Chattan by William 13th Chief of 1 CONC the Kintoshes. MacIntyres of Rannoch were hereditary pipers to the 1 CONC Menzies of Weem, while another branch held the same office to the 1 CONC MacDonalds of Clanranald. One of the most famous of Gaelic poets was 1 CONC Duncan MacIntyre, Donnacha Ban nan Oran, born in Glenorchy in 1724. He 1 CONC was imprisoned for a poem he wrote against the Act of Proscription of the 1 CONC Highland dress and died in Edinburgh in 1812 In 1991, James MacIntyre of 1 CONC Glenoe, who lives in the United States of America, was officially 1 CONC recognised by the Lord Lyon as Chief of Clan MacIntyre. Prior to his 1 CONC claim being recognised, the chiefship had been vacant since the 19th 1 CONC century. 1 CONT 1 CONT 1 CONT 1 CONT 1 CONT 1 CONT Copyright DISCscribe Ltd. 1997 - All rights reserved. 0 @I00842@ INDI 1 NAME Sarah Emeline /Soper/ 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE 18 OCT 1850 2 PLAC Brooklyn, Kings Co., New York 1 DEAT 2 DATE 9 JAN 1917 2 PLAC Sedan,Chatauqua Co. Kansas; buried near Cassody in Sycamore Cemetary 1 FAMS @F01@ 1 FAMC @F05@ 0 @I00843@ INDI 1 NAME Alexander /Campbell/ 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE ABT. 1775 1 DEAT 2 DATE 1840 2 PLAC Newton, Ohio 1 FAMS @F03@ 0 @I00844@ INDI 1 NAME Isabell /Davidson/ 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE 15 AUG 1777 1 DEAT 2 DATE 16 JUN 1837 1 FAMS @F03@ 1 FAMC @F06@ 0 @I00845@ INDI 1 NAME John /Davidson/ 1 SEX M 1 FAMS @F06@ 0 @I00846@ INDI 1 NAME Mary /Cunningham/ 1 SEX F 1 FAMS @F06@ 0 @I00847@ INDI 1 NAME Robert /McIntyre/ 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE 5 SEP 1795 2 PLAC Montgomery Co., NY 1 DEAT 2 DATE 1832 2 PLAC Tompkins Co., NY 1 FAMS @F04@ 1 FAMC @F07@ 0 @I00848@ INDI 1 NAME Christina /Delana/ 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE 24 MAR 1789 2 PLAC PA 1 DEAT 2 DATE 28 SEP 1871 2 PLAC Wright Co. Iowa 1 FAMS @F04@ 1 FAMC @F08@ 0 @I00849@ INDI 1 NAME Patrick /Delana/ 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE ABT. 1760 2 PLAC Ireland 1 FAMS @F08@ 0 @I00999@ INDI 1 NAME Mary Ann /Carman/ 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE 12 JUL 1807 2 PLAC Long Island NY 1 FAMS @F05@ 1 FAMC @F09@ 0 @I01000@ INDI 1 NAME Platt /Soper/ 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE 1773 2 PLAC NY 1 DEAT 2 DATE 1856 2 PLAC NY 1 FAMS @F10@ 1 FAMC @F11@ 0 @I01001@ INDI 1 NAME Deborah /Lockwood/ 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE 1777 2 PLAC Long Island, NY 1 DEAT 2 DATE 1847 1 FAMS @F10@ 1 FAMC @F12@ 0 @I01002@ INDI 1 NAME John /Soper/ 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE 1742 2 PLAC NY 1 DEAT 2 DATE 1812 2 PLAC NY 1 FAMS @F11@ 1 FAMC @F13@ 0 @I01003@ INDI 1 NAME Sarah /Oakes/ 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE 1746 1 DEAT 2 DATE 1803 2 PLAC NY 1 FAMS @F11@ 0 @I01004@ INDI 1 NAME Jacob /Soper/ 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE 1709 2 PLAC NY 1 DEAT 2 PLAC NY 1 FAMS @F13@ 0 @I01005@ INDI 1 NAME Phebe /Wilson/ 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE 1710 1 FAMS @F13@ 0 @I01011@ INDI 1 NAME Johnathan /Lockwood/ 1 SEX M 1 FAMS @F12@ 1 FAMC @F14@ 0 @I01012@ INDI 1 NAME Elizabeth /Close/ 1 SEX F 1 FAMS @F12@ 1 FAMS @F28@ 0 @I01013@ INDI 1 NAME Gersham /Lockwood/ 1 SEX M 1 FAMS @F14@ 1 FAMS @F15@ 1 FAMS @F29@ 1 FAMC @F16@ 0 @I01014@ INDI 1 NAME /Mary/ 1 SEX F 1 FAMS @F14@ 0 @I01015@ INDI 1 NAME Gersham /Lockwood/ 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE 6 SEP 1643 2 PLAC Watertown MA 1 DEAT 2 DATE 12 MAR 1717/18 1 _FA1 2 PLAC Lt. 1 FAMS @F16@ 1 FAMC @F17@ 0 @I01016@ INDI 1 NAME Ann /Millington/ 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE ABT. 1645 1 DEAT 2 DATE 23 DEC 1660 1 FAMS @F16@ 1 FAMC @F18@ 0 @I01017@ INDI 1 NAME Robert /Lockwood/ 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE ABT. 1610 2 PLAC England 1 DEAT 2 DATE 1658 2 PLAC Fairfield CT 1 FAMS @F17@ 0 @I01018@ INDI 1 NAME Susannah /Norman/ 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE ABT. 1615 1 DEAT 2 DATE 23 DEC 1660 2 PLAC Grinwich 1 FAMS @F17@ 0 @I01019@ INDI 1 NAME Lord /Millington/ 1 SEX M 1 FAMS @F18@ 0 @I01020@ INDI 1 NAME John /Carman/ 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE 21 FEB 1773 1 DEAT 2 DATE 12 JUN 1857 2 PLAC Huntington, NY 2 SOUR Long Islander Index of Deaths Scudder Collection - Hunt Hist Soc 1 _FA1 2 PLAC AKA Carmon 1 FAMS @F09@ 1 FAMC @F19@ 0 @I01021@ INDI 1 NAME Mary /Bloomfield/ 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE 29 AUG 1775 2 SOUR Scudder Collection - Hunt Hist Soc 1 DEAT 2 DATE 17 MAY 1852 2 SOUR Scudder Collection - Hunt Hist Soc 1 _FA1 2 PLAC Data from Platt Soper bible 1 FAMS @F09@ 1 FAMC @F20@ 0 @I01023@ INDI 1 NAME Jane /(Valentine?)/ 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE ABT. 1750 2 SOUR Scudder Collection - Hunt Hist Soc 1 DEAT 2 DATE 30 JUL 1834 2 SOUR LDS 0860327 Abstracts of wills suffolk 1809-59 Scudder Collection - Hunt Hist Soc 1 FAMS @F19@ 1 FAMC @F21@ 0 @I01031@ INDI 1 NAME John /Carman/ 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE 8 JUL 1633 2 PLAC Roxbury Massachusetts 1 FAMS @F22@ 1 FAMC @F23@ 1 NOTE @NI01031@ 0 @NI01031@ NOTE 1 CONC 1995 1 CONT 1 CONT TO: ALL 1 CONT FROM: HELEN SILVEY SUBJECT: CARMAN MISC. 1 CONT 1 CONT I believe the first 2 items were in Boston Transcript: 1 CONT John, d. 1653, Puritan Anc. of Plymouth Colony,1631, on ship "Lyon" 1 CONC and 1 CONT was of Lynn where in 1632 he and wife Florence (dau. Rev. Robert Forham) 1 CONC and 1 CONT son John (1634) and a dau. Abigail. Next of Wetherfield, Colony of Conn. 1 CONC and 1 CONT in1641 one of original patantees of Samford, Conn., and in 164? with 1 CONC others 1 CONT negotiated purchase of about 120,000 acres on L.I. from L.I. Sound to 1 CONT Atalntic, of Rockaway and Merrick tribes of Indians. In 1644 this purchse 1 CONT was confirmed to himself (John Carman) and 6 others Englismen. One of 1 CONC them 1 CONT was Capt. John Seaman, who in 1641 was co-patantee of Stamford (?). In 1 CONC 1644 1 CONT John Carman was one of the 1st five family to settle on this patent. 1 CONC First 1 CONT child born in settlement was Caleb. 1 CONT 1 CONT Item from Venns' Catalogue of Students of Cambridge (Eng.) Univ. 1 CONC FORDHAM, 1 CONT Robert, admsizar (??) (age 19) at Caius, July 3, 1622, son of PHilip, 1 CONT husbandman of Sacomb, Herts. School Watton (Mr. R. Porter), Matric. 1 CONC 1625; 1 CONT BA1625-; AM 1629. V. of Flamsted (?), Herts 1628-38, licensed preacher 1 CONC in 1 CONT Lincoln diocese 1634. Went to New England 1638. One of founders of 1 CONC Sudbury, 1 CONT Mass. Resided there 1639-?, later at Hempstead, L.I., MAR. IN ENGLAND CA 1 CONT 1631 ELIZABETH BENNING, d. ca 11-1674, Will N.Y. Hist. Soc. Abstratc Vol I 1 CONT (1652-1701) pg. 43. 1 CONT 1 CONT DAR Gen. Library, Wash., D.C., May 1981 Natl. #157091 Gen'l. David Forman 1 CONT Chap., Trenton N.J. Helen Waln Lippincott, 691 Allentown Rd., Yardville, 1 CONT N.J. 1 CONT 06620, 1965 1 CONT Caleb Carman (mar. Elizabeth Wood by 1748), b. 6-28-1708 Middletown, 1 CONC N.J., 1 CONT d. Bordentown, N.J. 7-1807 & Elizabeth Wood, b. - d. Bordentown, 1 CONC 9-15-1808. 1 CONT 1 CONT Caleb, son of Rev. james Carman, b. 1677 at -- d. Cranbury, N.J. 1 CONC 10-28-1756 1 CONT & Margaret Duwys 1 CONT Thomas C. Carman Gen., (ref.) Ch." 1 CONT John, b. 1748 mar. Rachel Flentham 1 CONT Joshua, b. 1749 mar. Hannah Herbert 1 CONT Benjamin b. 1751 1 CONT Elizabeth. b. 1751 mar. (1) Wm. Stonard (2) Wm. Wright 1 CONT Mary, b. 1755, mar. John Oliver 1 CONT Joseph mar. Mary LaRue 1 CONT "My ancestors services in assisting in establishment of American 1 CONC Independence 1 CONT during War of Rev.: He was a businessman with varied interests and 1 CONT establishments in Bordentown, N.J. He was an active and 1 CONT zealous patriot who served his country and inspired his neighborhood to 1 CONT action during the War. He had charge of American Patrol on Delaware, and 1 CONT commanded the party, which included his son John, which burned the 1 CONC gunboats 1 CONT on Crosswicks Creek to prevent them from falling into the hands 1 CONT of the British. He actively participated in the "Battle of the Kegs", a 1 CONC bold 1 CONT attempt to destroy enemy shipping lying in the Del., and which action 1 CONT furnished the theme for a poem by Frances Hopkinson,also of Bordentown. 1 CONC 1 CONT 1 CONT This is the sixteenth in the current series on 1 CONT Long Island history written by George Lewis Weeks, Jr., 1 CONT historian for the Town of Islip. It is taken from 1 CONT material being prepared by Mr. Weeks for a history 1 CONT of Long Island which is to be published shortly 1 CONT in book form. 1 CONT By George Lewis Weeks, Jr. 1 CONT 1 CONT Long Island has many landmarks of early American History 1 CONT but few places have been in the one family since the year 1 CONT 1643. Such a place is the Carman Homestead in East Massapequa, 1 CONT on the Montauk hway. Mrs. Townsend G. Carman is the proud 1 CONT possessor of this beautiful landmark. 1 CONT John Carman and Robert Fordham on December 13, 1643, 1 CONT purchased from the Indians of Marsapeque, Mericock, and 1 CONT Rockaway all that, half-part or moiety of the Great Plains 1 CONT lying toward the south side of Long Island, to be divided 1 CONT or measured by a direct straight line from our present 1 CONT town plot, northward, and from the norrth end of the line, 1 CONT to run with a right line east and west, to the uttermost 1 CONT limits of it, and from both ends to run down with a 1 CONT straight line to the South Sea. 1 CONT The Indians who affixed their marks to the document were 1 CONT Tackapusha, Sachem of the Marsapeag, and Jorrane, Panaman, 1 CONT Remos, Wamis, Whanege, and Gerasco. 1 CONT In the records we find John Karman (Carman) living in the 1 CONT county of Surrey in A.D. 1041-1064. It is also shown that 1 CONT "John" Carman in the Domesday entries had a first or 1 CONT Christian name in the time of the Confessor. In the Domesday 1 CONT records of 1085-86 he is entered as having a lordship in 1 CONT Surrey in 1042. In Dr. Joseph P. Widney's monumental 1 CONT volumes, "The Race-Life of the Aryan Peoples," states that 1 CONT man, with Aryan forefaters, along the northern side of the 1 CONT meant something far beyond the mere man as we now apply it. 1 CONT Carman as a personal name is found as early as the fifth 1 CONT century before Christ, and therefore has a record of 1 CONT 2,500 years. 1 CONT In the account of Alexander the Great of his expedition 1 CONT to India he speaks of King Carman, ruler of an extensive 1 CONT province in Asia, Persian Gulf. In 1606, as the official 1 CONT records indicate, there was born in Hemel Hempstead John 1 CONT Carman, the Pilgrim father who came in the ship "Lyon" 1 CONT in 1631, the Puritan ancestor of the American family of 1 CONT that name. He married in 1629-1630. Florence, daughter 1 CONT of the Rev. Robert Fordham. 1 CONT It is quite possible that their first child was born 1 CONT while on the ship "Lyon" and died while at sea, as 1 CONT reference is made to another "John again" born in Lynn, 1 CONT July 8, 1632 a year after arrival in this country. Also 1 CONT born to this couple were Abigail, born in Lynn, 1634-5; 1 CONT Caleb, born in Wallingford, Conn., August 6, 1638-9, died 1 CONT 1640-41; Caleb "again," born January 9, 1644-5, in 1 CONT Hempstead, Long Island, the first child of white parents 1 CONT born in Hempstead, and who was blind at birth; Thomas, 1 CONT born in Hempstead, 1646; Joshua, born in Hempstead, 1648-9. 1 CONT The first John Carman died in Hempstead, 1653. The 1 CONT second John Carman married a daughter of Capt. John 1 CONT Seaman. Caleb also married a daughter of Capt. Seaman. 1 CONT The first house to be erected on the property in 1 CONT East Massapequa was a log cabin, and the large east end 1 CONT section of the present house was built in 1821. In the 1 CONT main hall of the house is a copy of the original Indian 1 CONT deed and many pieces of antique furniture is in the house, 1 CONT especially the hand-carved secretary. The cabinet is 1 CONT valuable, both for its wood and craftsmanship. 1 CONT Nearby was the toll gate that was in use when the 1 CONT Montauk Highway was known as South Country road. 1 CONT There was also a grist mill that was operated by the 1 CONT Carman family, located on the headwaters of Carman River." 1 CONT 1 CONT 1 CONT 1 CONT 1 CONT May 10, 1998 1 CONT ..... 1 CONT 1 CONT Prodigy repost Edwin Murray Apr., 1995: 1 CONT 1 CONT SUBJECT: CARMAN-MISC. #4 1 CONT From notes taken by Linda C. Dunham, from the book CARMAN GENEALOGY by 1 CONC Wm. 1 CONT Stilwell Carman. 1 CONT "Volume 4, page 26 - Caaleb Carman, born Jan. 9, 1645, 1 CONT Hempstead, Long Island; married about 1670. Children: Caleb. No other 1 CONC data on 1 CONT children was given with this entry. 1 CONT Page 22-23, Children of John and Florence Carman as 1 CONT named in John's will, Queens Co Records, Lib A, p. 9; According to 1 CONT author. 1 CONT Sept. 14, 1684(94?) Hempstead. Names of children were in 1 CONT ink by the author but their dates of birth were in pencil by our unknown 1 CONT source. 1 CONT John (b. 1659) Caleb (b. 1657) 1 CONC 1 CONT Benjamin (b. 1661) 1 CONC 1 CONT Abigail (b. 1664) 1 CONT Samuel (b. 1666) Thomas (b. 1 CONC 1668) 1 CONT Joshua (b. 1670) 1 CONC 1 CONT 1 CONT Joseph (b. 1671) 1 CONT John and Caleb were mentioned in the will as being the two eldest 1 CONC sons. 1 CONT Joshua and Joseph were mentioned in the will as being the two younger 1 CONT sons. 1 CONT Another child's name and date of birth was penciled in by 1 CONT our unknown source as being Hannah (b. 1662). Perhaps she died prior to 1 CONT this will and that is the reason she is not mentioned in it. 1 CONC 1 CONT 1 CONT Booklet 26, page 1 - Florence Carman married a second 1 CONT time to John Hicks. She is supposed to be the sister of the Rev. Robert 1 CONT Fordham, one of the two grantees, from the Indians of all the 1 CONC Hempsteads 1 CONT on Long Island. Florence was born in England and died in Hempstead, Long 1 CONT Island." 1 CONT Ed in St. Louis 1 CONT 1 CONT Ay 10, 1998 0 @I01032@ INDI 1 NAME Hanna ( Probably /Seaman)/ 1 SEX F 1 FAMS @F22@ 1 FAMC @F24@ 0 @I01033@ INDI 1 NAME John /Carman/ 2 SOUR @S001214@ 3 PAGE 312 3 DATA 4 TEXT In a letter to Governor John Winthrop of "4th 4th Mo. 1644" Henry Walton of Flatlands in New Netherland described an Indian assault on "Mr. Fowrdam's plantation" (Hempstead) in which "three men have b 5 CONC een cut off at their work and one of Goodman Carman's children almost massacred and another carried away" (WP 4:460) 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE 1606 2 PLAC Hempstead, S., England; prob Bishop Stoke's Parish 1 DEAT 2 DATE 29 MAY 1654 2 PLAC Hempstead L.I. 1 _FA1 2 PLAC Arrived July 4, 1631 on Plough at Natascott Mass 1 _FA2 2 PLAC AKA John Kirman in Plymouth Colony 1 _FA3 2 PLAC AKA John Carreman 1 _FA4 2 PLAC Came with Familists (liberal Puritan sect) 1 _FA5 2 PLAC First residence: Roxbury 1 _FA6 2 DATE 1632 2 PLAC Admitted to Roxbury church as member #24 1 FAMS @F23@ 1 FAMC @F25@ 1 NOTE @NI01033@ 0 @NI01033@ NOTE 1 CONC In Mar, 1994 Helen Silvey posted:SUBJECT: CARMAN-HEMPSTEAD NY 1 CONT This is from the book: "325TH ANNIVERSARY A HISTORY OF THE 1 CONT TOWN OF HEMPSTEAD 1644-1969" 1 CONT 1. A section from Chapter 1: "The year is 1643. Reverend Robert Fordham 1 CONT and his son-in-law John Carman are sent as emissaries of Reverend Denton 1 CONT and others who have become either disenchanted ot spiritually dissatisfied 1 CONT with the Stamford adventure, to purchase land from the Indians across the 1 CONT Sound. Little is known of this pair, or of this first sortie on the 1 CONC island. 1 CONT One can only conjecture: disembarking on the desolate shore, the two work 1 CONT their way south by foot after perhaps noting the coves and necks of land 1 CONT which 1 CONT curved into rocky beaches. Craggy hills dip into forest stretching toward 1 CONT the islands' interior, flattened for miles. 1 CONC 1 CONT How great is the relief and pleasure in finally finding, as they 1 CONT continue southward, an open meadow that stretches seemingly endless 1 CONT distance; grazing land, naked to the sun and waiting for the husbandry of 1 CONT white men. 'There is neither stick or stone,' comments one early 1 CONC writer,'and it 1 CONT produceth a very fine grass which makes exceedingly good hay.' 1 CONC 1 CONT In the 1960's, as Mitchel Field, a great part of this plain will be 1 CONC envisioned by urban planners as a new adventure in creative urban 1 CONC planning - Long Island's Reston, Virginia, without the mistakes - a 1 CONC 'cathedral' to living with the means close within its confines for 1 CONC working, learning, playing or simply passing through from east to west. 1 CONC But to Robert Fordham and John Carman it is grazing country. They find 1 CONC flat terrain, winding brooks, fresh water streams and some 70 species of 1 CONC trees. 1 CONT Naturalist Robert Cushman Murphy, in a slender volume titled 1 CONC 'Fish-Shaped Paumanok' quotes one Daniel Denton whom he credits with 1 CONT publishing the first description of Long Island in English. Writing of 1 CONC the 1 CONT wildflowers, Denton said 'they caused the country itself to send forth 1 CONT such a fragrant smell that it may be perceived at Sea before they can 1 CONC make 1 CONT the land.' The writer refers to Long Island as a landscape of lobelias, 1 CONT ladyslippers, columbine, the most gorgeous of the many milkweeds, 1 CONC gentians, 1 CONT cowslips, 1 CONT wakerobin, lupines, mallows and many other varieties of wildflowers. 1 CONC 1 CONT One Dutchman of the time writes 'There is...a great store of deere 1 CONT there...and also Buffaloes...There are fayre Turkeys...500 in a flock with 1 CONT infinite stories of Berries, Chestnuts, Beechnuts and Mast which they 1 CONC feed 1 CONT on. Whole groves of Wallnut Trees to make Wallnut Oyle or milke, in 1 CONT France worth 20 pounds a tonne. There are Ponds of fresh water three or 1 CONT four miles in compass...There is infinite store of Fowle and eggs of all 1 CONT sorts and sea and shell fish in abundance and 1000 loads of oyster shells 1 CONT in heap[e to make lime of. The Spring waters there are as good as small 1 CONT beere here.' 1 CONT According to Murphy, 'Along every waterway in the proper season the 1 CONT nights were loud with the clamor of ducks, thirty kinds or more. The 1 CONT sky-darkening flights of passenger pigeons crossed over twice a year. The 1 CONT rivers became seasonally choked with salmon, sturgeon and alewives.'" 1 CONT "Travelling southward, Forddham and Carman find the southern coast of 1 CONT the island waiting to heap its largess on the white man. The land is 1 CONT frilled, like a lace border, with bays, inlets and narrow canals 1 CONC meandering 1 CONT through the uplands. Low-lying islands, mud flats, hassocks and marsh 1 CONT meadows tell of an estuarine stretch as rich in marine life as any in the 1 CONT northern hemisphere. Many could live abundantly here on fish, shellfish 1 CONC and 1 CONT wildfowl. 1 CONT And beyond the tidal lands are the protective strands of the barrier 1 CONT beaches braced against the open sea - todays Coney Island, Long Beach, 1 CONC Fire 1 CONT Island and Jones Beach. 1 CONT The fertility of this tidal reach (curiously in the same latitude as 1 CONC the 1 CONT Mediterranean Basin) must certainly have played a major role in the 1 CONT development of Hempstead Town through its long history." 1 CONT This is from a part of Chapter 2 in the book "325th ANNIVERSARY A 1 CONT HISTORY OF THE TOWN OF HEMPSTEAD" 1 CONT "In 1643, the Hudson River Valley, New Amsterdam, and 1 CONT Long Island as far east as what is now Oyster Bay, belonged to the 1 CONC Dutch. 1 CONT The Long Island purchase had been made by Holland in 1 CONT 1640 and confirmed 10 years later by the Treaty of Hartford. But, it is 1 CONC not 1 CONT a time of peace. 1 CONT Governor William Kieft iron-fists the Indian tribles, massacres the 1 CONC peaceful Wacquaesgeek tribe in NJ in 1643 and then brings Capt. John 1 CONC Underhill from New England to quiet a bloody Indian uprising. It is 1 CONC puzzling that the New England colonists decide on the Hempstead plains as 1 CONC their new home at a time when 1500 Indians, some from Long Island 1 CONC tribes, are engaged in a bloody action against the Dutch. 1 CONT Records show that 'a bill of sall was maed from the ingens to Mr. Fordham 1 CONC and Mr. Carman in the year of our Lord 1643.' The deed reads" 'December 1 CONC 13, 1643. Be it known unto all men by these presents that we the Indians 1 CONC of Masapeaque, Mericock and Rockaway, whose names are underwritten, have 1 CONC put over, bargained and sold unto Robert ffordham and John Carman, 1 CONC Englishmen, all that half-part of moiety of the Great Plains, lying 1 CONC toward the south side of Long Island, to be divided or measured by a 1 CONC direct or straight line from our present town plott, northward, and from 1 CONC the North End of the line, to run with a right line East and WEst, to the 1 CONC uttermost limits of itt, and from both ends to run down with a straight 1 CONC line to the South Sea; with all the woodlands, meadows, marshes, 1 CONC pastures, and appurtenances thereunto belonging, 1 CONT contained within that compass of the siad lynes. To have and to hold them 1 CONC and their heirs and assigns forever. In witness thereoff we have hereunto 1 CONC sett our hands the day and yeare first above written.' Signed by marks of 1 CONC Tackapausha, sachem of Marsapeag and Jorrane, Pamaman, Remos, Wamis, 1 CONC Whanege and Gerasco. 1 CONT The derivation of the name 'Hempstead' is more a matter of conjecture 1 CONC than of historic fact. An historian named Thompson, in a book 1 CONC published in 1839 titled, 'HISTORY OF LONG ISLAND' suggests the town 1 CONC was named after Hemel-Hempstead, a market town in Hertfordshire England. 1 CONC This is the historical version most widely accepted 1 CONT today. The supposition is supported by the fact that John Carman was 1 CONC born in Hemel-Hempstead and Robert Fordham was born just 18 miles 1 CONC distant. However, those who wish to debate the subject can quote a Dr. 1 CONC E. B. O'Callaghan whose 1 CONT 'HISTORY OF NEW NETHERLANDS' (1845) states that the English simply 1 CONC retained 1 CONT the place-name previously used by the Dutch. 'Heeemstede', according to 1 CONT O'Callaghan, commemorated 'the nearest village on the island of 1 CONC Schouwen in Zeeland.' The ancient town of Hemel-Hempstead appears also 1 CONC to have been spelled 'Hemsted' - hem or ham meaning 'a town' and sted 'a 1 CONC place'or 'a spot'. Early town records often refer to the new settlement 1 CONC as 'Townspot'." 1 CONT 1 CONT From "324th ANNIVERSARY A HISTORY OF THE TOWN OF HEMPSTEAD" "The small 1 CONC band of New Englanders that arrived the year after the land purchase are 1 CONC not the first white me to settle on the island, however. Living in 1 CONC splendid isolation off the Eastern tip of the island is one David Lion 1 CONC Gardiner, an English army officer. In 1640, he was 1 CONT rewarded for his service to the crown with an island of his own - the 1 CONC same island on which Captain Kidd is later to bury his loot. 1 CONC Southhampton, to the south, and Southold, on the northern shore, are 1 CONC also colonized by New Englanders under the protection of King 1 CONC Charles. New Amsterdam, on the mainland to the west, is a thriving Dutch 1 CONC village govered by the Dutch West India Company. The harbor is alive with 1 CONC ships plying both the ocean and the coastline, since the Sound and the 1 CONC East River constitute a water course which connects New England with 1 CONC Virginia. Beyond the wall at Wall Street (built to keep out Indians and 1 CONC wolves) stretches the Dutch bouweries (farms). Breukelen and Haarlem are 1 CONC inhabited by Netherlanders and Walloons (Belgian Protestants). A 1 CONC scattering of Dutch colonists teeter on Long Island's western edge, 1 CONT some 20 miles from the new settlement of Hempstead. Meanwhile the English 1 CONC settle Flushing in 1645, Gravesend in 1645, Newtown in 1654, Jamaica in 1 CONC 1656. Historians have been unable to establish the exact boundaries of 1 CONC the land Fordham and Carman purchased from the Indians, nor the amount or 1 CONC kind of currency which consummated the bargain. The transaction with the 1 CONC Indians, however, was not alone sufficient to insure the right of 1 CONC colonization, since the land was within Dutch jurisdiction. The settlers 1 CONC therefore make a request for a patent to the ill-famed William Kieft, 1 CONC Director General of the New Netherlands. The patent is granted in 1 CONC November 1644. The colonists are allowed a liberal measure of 1 CONC self-government, and the right to pursue their religion. But placed on 1 CONC them is the obligation of bringing in a hundred 1 CONT settlers within five years. How tough-fibred a band of wanderers it 1 CONC must have been 1 CONT who left their newly settled Connecticut homes, to start anew on Long 1 CONC Island. Some had cut homes out of the forest three or four times before 1 CONC in their lifetime. One wonders at the force of circumstances which 1 CONC impells them to cross the Sound to begin still again. Bernice Schults 1 CONC ("COLONIAL HEMPSTEAD") writes 'At the southern edge of the plains, they 1 CONC came upon the place which had been selected for the townspot. Two streams 1 CONC ran southward from the plains, one from the north and one from the 1 CONC northeast. In the angle above the spot where the streams joined was to be 1 CONC the townspot. It was a charming location. The stream from the east wound 1 CONC an 1 CONT irregular course through the new village and both of them broadened her 1 CONC and there to form little ponds. To the south lay the forest, to the north 1 CONC the long waving grass of the plains where their cattle could pasture, 1 CONC past their doors ran the streams where the beasts could drink. Here they 1 CONC began the construction of a few dwellings, a church, and a palisade to 1 CONC encircle it. The Indians around New Amsterdam were still unsubdued and 1 CONC probably the fort raising was one of the first. 1 CONT 1 CONT Posted by Daniel Carman 3/6/94 on Fido: 1 CONT 1 CONT Looking for additions, corrections, or arguments on this information. 1 CONT There is nothing like a friendly forum to get information flowing! 1 CONT 1 CONT 1. John Carman b. 1600, m. Florence Fordham, b. c1610, d. 7 Feb 1661, 1 CONT Jamica, NY. John died 1653. 1 CONT 1 CONT John Carman came over on the ship "Lyon" and landed on Cape Cod 18 Oct 1 CONC 1631. 1 CONT (Source of info 1991 by Marvin Dewain Carman, of 68 Elgin Park, San 1 CONT Francisco, Ca 94103). All information I have compiled so far show all his 1 CONT children but the last two were born in Roxbury, MA (just south of downtown 1 CONT Boston). According to the Lineage Book of Order of Washington___?, a 1 CONT patriotic 1 CONT organization of distinguished people connected to George Washington or the 1 CONT Revolutionary War, John Carman had the title of Deputy General Couert of 1 CONT Massachusetts. (Source Elsie Savell on FIDONET NGS Echo). History notes: 1 CONT Pilgrims landed in 1620. Decade 1620-1630 saw establishment of several 1 CONC other 1 CONT coastal settlements dedicated primarily to fishing and trading. The 1 CONT Massachusetts Bay Company's charter, confirmed by royal act in 1629, 1 CONC brought 1 CONT about the expansion of a Puritan colony, which came to be known as 1 CONT the Massachusetts Bay Colony. In 1630 John Winthrop led the first large 1 CONT group 1 CONT of Puritans to the New World. He became the first governor of the colony, 1 CONT first established at Salem and soon thereafter on the present site of 1 CONC Boston. 1 CONT (New Age Encyclopedia). John Carman moved his family sometime around 1 CONT 1639-1643 1 CONT to Stamford, CT. When Stamford became too congested, and politically 1 CONT difficult, John and Rev. Robert Fordham were sent by Rev. Robert Denton to 1 CONT find a better land on Long Island. (Source of info was Robert Williamson 1 CONC on 1 CONT Prodigy). There is a new book coming out shortly by Dr. Myron Luke called 1 CONT Hempstead Town 1663-1800. It has material on John CARMAN and Robert 1 CONC FORDHAM 1 CONT and John SEAMAN. It also has a picture of the mural in the Hempstead Town 1 CONT Hall showing John CARMAN and Robert FORDHAM with the Indians to purchase 1 CONC the 1 CONT Great Plains at Hempstead. I did read the book: THE CARMAN FAMILY 1 CONC 1631-1981 1 CONT by 1 CONT (Mister) Carroll CARMAN HALL. In it she (he) has a Chronolgy of John 1 CONC CARMAN 1 CONT the Immigrant Ancestor. (Source: Edwin Murry on Prodigy). 1 CONT 1 CONT Florence: There is a big debate on whether or not Florence was 1 CONC actually 1 CONT a 1 CONT Fordham. If she was Florence Fordham, there are questions on whether or 1 CONC not 1 CONT she was a sister or daughter of the Rev. Robert Fordham. 1 CONT 1 CONT Children: 1 CONT i John Carman b. c1631, d. bef 1633. 1 CONT 2. ii John Carman b. 8 JUL 1633. 1 CONT 3. iii Benjamin Carman b. 1634. 1 CONT iv Abigail Carman b. 5 July 1635, Roxbury, MA, m. 1659, in 1 CONT Hempstead, NY, Benjamin Coe. Abigail died 1704, Hempstead, 1 CONT NY. 1 CONT v Caleb Carman b. 1638, Roxbury, MA, d. at birth. 1 CONT vi Caleb Carman b. 6 AUG 1639, Roxbury, MA, m. Elizabeth 1 CONT Smith. 1 CONT Caleb died 5 AUG 1693, Cape May, NJ. 1 CONT vii Joshua Carman b. 9 Jan 1645-46, Hempstead, NY, d. by 1 CONC 1720, 1 CONT Hempstead, NY. 1 CONT viii Thomas Carman b. cir 1646, Hempstead, NY, m. Margaret 1 CONT Burton. 1 CONT 1 CONT Second Generation 1 CONT 1 CONT 2. John Carman b. 8 JUL 1633, Roxbury, MA, m. 1660, in Hempstead, NY, 1 CONT Hannah Seaman, d. 1684. John died 14 SEP 1684, 1 CONT Hempstead, NY. 1 CONT Children: 1 CONT 4. i Thomas Carman b. 1684. 1 CONT 5. ii Samuel Carman. 1 CONT 1 CONT 3. Benjamin Carman b. 1634, m. Unknown. 1 CONT Children: 1 CONT 6. i Benjamin Carman b. ?. 1 CONT 1 CONT Third Generation 1 CONT 1 CONT 4. Thomas Carman b. 1684, m. Mary w/Carman. Thomas died 1761. 1 CONT Children: 1 CONT i Phebe Carman b. 1710, m. John Townsend, b. 1708, d. 1 CONC 1797. 1 CONT Phebe died 1798. 1 CONT 1 CONT 5. Samuel Carman m. Sara UNKNOWN. Samuel died 1729. 1 CONT Children: 1 CONT 7. i Richard Carman b. 1679. 1 CONT 1 CONT 6. Benjamin Carman b. ?, m. Unknown. 1 CONT Children: 1 CONT 8. i Benjamin Carman b. 1714. 1 CONT 1 CONT 1 CONT Fourth Generation 1 CONT 1 CONT 7. Richard Carman b. 1679, m. Abigail Kent. Richard died 1768. 1 CONT Children: 1 CONT 9. i Stephen Carman. 1 CONT 1 CONT 8. Benjamin Carman b. 1714, m. Mary Bedell. 1 CONT Children: 1 CONT 10. i Samuel Carman b. 1749. 1 CONT 1 CONT Fifth Generation 1 CONT 1 CONT 9. Stephen Carman m. Isabel Moores, b. 1730, d. 1809. Stephen died 1 CONT 1767. 1 CONT Children: 1 CONT i Phineas Carman b. 1762, Middlesex Co., NJ, Occ. Major 1 CONC New 1 CONT Jersey Militia, m. Huldah Ayers, b. 1763, d. 1849. 1 CONT Phineas died 1827. 1 CONT 1 CONT 10. Samuel Carman b. 1749, m. Mary Demott, b. 1754. 1 CONT Children: 1 CONT i Catherine Carman b. 1770, m. Abraham Bedell. 1 CONT 1 CONT 1 CONT 1 CONT 1 CONT ... Knowledge is power! BUT it can blow the breaker! 1 CONT --- GEcho 1.02+ 1 CONT * Origin: The Skeleton Closet - 3 Nodes - Va. Beach, VA (1:275/138.0) 1 CONT 1 CONT 1 CONT Apr. 15, 1998 1 CONT 1 CONT ----------------------------------------------------- 1 CONT Subj: CARMAN Gen., Carman, John (Hay/Wilson) 1/2 1 CONT Date: 98-05-15 07:34:39 EDT 1 CONT From: Helen_Silvey@@bbs.macnexus.org (Helen Silvey) 1 CONT Sender: carman-owner@@wombat.cusd.chico.k12.ca.us 1 CONT Reply-to: carman@@cusd.chico.k12.ca.us 1 CONT To: carman@@cusd.chico.k12.ca.us 1 CONT 1 CONT Repost Apr., 1995 1 CONT 1 CONT 1 CONT JOHN CARMAN 1 CONT By Edith Carman Hay (Mrs. Wm. H. Hay) and Sidney Wilson 1 CONT 1 CONT Only very brief accounts of the life and activities of the settler 1 CONC John 1 CONT Carman have heretofore appeared in print, and it is believed that this 1 CONT article will provide a complete story of his known career, as well as 1 CONT correcting some mistaken statements that have been made about him. 1 CONT 1 CONT Various theories have been put forth about his origin. One family 1 CONC history 1 CONT says that the family came from Brittany in France, and gives a coat of 1 CONC arms, 1 CONT while another account offers a descent from three Johns and two Thomases, 1 CONC the 1 CONT first of whom was a martyr, burnt at the stake at Norwich, England, on May 1 CONT 19, 1558. No evidence is offered in support of the identification of the 1 CONT emigrant as the descendant of this family, nor in support of the 1 CONC additional 1 CONT statement that his birthplace was at Hemel Hempstead in Hertfordshire, 1 CONC where 1 CONT he was born, it is said, in 1606. 1 CONT 1 CONT According to the notes of the late historian and genealogist Charles 1 CONC Edward 1 CONT Banks, he came from Bishops Stoke Parish in Hampshire. Unfortunately the 1 CONT records there before 1661 have been lost or destroyed, so this cannot be 1 CONT corroborated by further research. Possibly adjoining parish records might 1 CONT yield some information, but so far no record has been found of the birth 1 CONC or 1 CONT parentage of John Carman or of his wife, Florence, or of the date of their 1 CONT marriage. (Footnote: Waters, in Genealogical Gleanings in England, gives 1 CONC the 1 CONT will of the widow Elizabeth Neva??, of the town and county of 1 CONC Southampton, 1 CONT Hampshre, England, probated February 20, 1645. She made bequests to the 1 CONC poor 1 CONT of the French Church of Southampton, and named her daughter Susanna, wife 1 CONC of 1 CONT Thomas Dummer, her daughter Elizabeth Carman, and Elizabeth's children, 1 CONC John 1 CONT and Elizabeth Carman, and her son Carman's three children by a previous 1 CONT marriage. there may be some connection with Carman of New England.) 1 CONT 1 CONT As John Kirman, he first appears as a passenger on the Plough, which 1 CONC reached 1 CONT these shores on July 4, 1631. John Winthrop, whose history of the early 1 CONT settlers is so invaluable to researchers, refers to the arrival of this 1 CONC ship 1 CONT as follows: "A small ship of sixty tons arrived at Natascott, Mr. Graves 1 CONT master. She brought ten passengers from London, they came with a patent 1 CONC to 1 CONT Segadahock, but not liking the place, they came hither ... These were the 1 CONT company called the Husbandmen, and their ship called the Plough. Most of 1 CONT them proved familists and vanished away." 1 CONT 1 CONT The "familists" were followers of the doctrine that religion lay in 1 CONC love, 1 CONT not in creed, -- a dangerous theory and one liable to abuse. Their patent 1 CONT was the Lygonian Patent, on the Maine coast, and the proposed settlement 1 CONT there never materialized, at least under this patent. Winthrop says that 1 CONT most of these settlers were familists, which leaves us in some doubt as to 1 CONT whether Carman had emigrated for religious reasons or for other causes. 1 CONC It 1 CONT is certain, however, that whether or not he was affiliated with this 1 CONC sect, he 1 CONT was required to have ten pounds for the venture, a not inconsiderable sum 1 CONC for 1 CONT the time. 1 CONT 1 CONT A few months after his arrival, on October 18, 1631, the following 1 CONC order was 1 CONT issued by the General Court of Massachusetts Bay Colony concerning him: 1 CONT "There shalbe taken out of the estate of Mr. Crispe & his company the 1 CONC sume of 1 CONT ixij lb. js vd, & dliued to John Kirman, as his pp goods, & after the 1 CONC whole 1 CONT estate to be inventoryed whereof the sd John Kirman is to haue an 8th 1 CONC pte." 1 CONT Other orders on this matter came later. On June 5, 1632, the Court of 1 CONT Assistants of the Colony ordered "that the goods of the company of 1 CONC husbandmen 1 CONT shalbe Inventoryed by the Beadle & prserued here for the vse and benefitt 1 CONC of 1 CONT the said Traske should pay Kirman lb. 24 11s 5d, the remainder of the 1 CONC eighth 1 CONT part due him out of the estate of the Company of Husbandmen. 1 CONT 1 CONT Since John Carman's name is not on the list of grantees of the 1 CONC Sagadahock 1 CONT Patent, and he so promply received a refund of his investment when the 1 CONC patent 1 CONT was abandoned, it seems probable that his joining the Company was merely a 1 CONT business venture from which he was able to withdraw. The name of John 1 CONT Crispe, who was ordered to make the refund, its first on the list of 1 CONT patentees, who are given as "all of London." No explanation has been 1 CONC found 1 CONT as to how or why any men from Bishops Stoke Parish became interested in 1 CONC it. 1 CONT In additon to Banks' statement that Carman was of that parish, it is 1 CONT interestisng to note that Richard Dummer and Stephen Bachelor, with both 1 CONC of 1 CONT whom Carman was closely associated in Massachusetts Bay, came from there. 1 CONT There are records of many Carmans in Hampshire, and of marriages between 1 CONT Carmans and Dummers. 1 CONT 1 CONT Although the Company of Husbandmen had not chosen to take up their 1 CONC patent 1 CONT for land at Sagadahock, the London members had not, for some unknown 1 CONC reason, 1 CONT been notified of the change of plan, and in the following year two more 1 CONC ships 1 CONT brought more passengers for this company. The Whale arrived May 26, 1632, 1 CONT and the William and Francis onJune 5, 1632. On the first of these came 1 CONT Richard Dummer, and on the second, Thomas Welde, later pastor of the 1 CONC Roxbury, 1 CONT Massachusetts, church, and Stephen Bachelor, later minister at Lynn, 1 CONT Massachusetts. Both of these men were members of the Company of 1 CONC Husbandmen. 1 CONT Possibly Florence Carman, who is known to have arrived in this year, came 1 CONT with one of these men, or with other neighbors from Bishops Stoke Parish. 1 CONT 1 CONT Carman and his wife settled at Roxbury, where they were members of 1 CONC Welde's 1 CONT church. John Eliot was the Teacher there, and he kept a record of the 1 CONC church 1 CONT members, in which the Carmans are noted as follows: "John Carman. He 1 CONC came 1 CONT to N. E. in the yeare 1631 he brought no childr--: his first borne John 1 CONC was 1 CONT borne the 8t of the 5t month 1633. his daughter Abigail was borne on the 1 CONC 5t 1 CONT month: 1635. his 3d child Caleb was borne in the first of the first 1 CONC moneth: 1 CONT 1639." Under date of 1632 appears: "Florence Carman the wife of John 1 CONT Carman." 1 CONT 1 CONT On March 4 1632/33, John Kirman was admitted to the freeman's right 1 CONC and took 1 CONT the freeman's oath. He served on a committee, on September 3, 1634, 1 CONT appointed "to sett out the bounds of all townes not yet sett out, or in 1 CONT differences betwixte any towne." A month later, on October 6, 1634, he 1 CONT appeared before the General Court, and "tooke oath hee wa summoned by 1 CONC Rich: 1 CONT Kent to appeare this day att the Court, to answer him in an accon of 1 CONT trespasse, & now psecutes not; soe the Court hath given him xs damage." 1 CONC He 1 CONT speedily rose to the honored office of Deputy to the General Court of the 1 CONT Colony, and served as Deputy at the Courts of March 4, 1634/35, and 1 CONC December 1 CONT 7, 1636, being colled "Goodman" on the latter occasion. 1 CONT 1 CONT Apparently he removed to Saugus, later called Lynn, Massachusetts, 1 CONC in 1636 1 CONT (which creates some doubt as to whether he was Deputy from Roxbury or from 1 CONT Lynn in December of that year), as he appears as a juror at the Essex 1 CONC County 1 CONT Quarterly Court on September 27, 1636, and again on March 28, 1637. On 1 CONC June 1 CONT 27, 1637, he appeared as a witness in a case between residents of Lynn. 1 CONC He 1 CONT was not altogether happy here either, for he is next heard of in a Court 1 CONT Order issued by Plymouth Colony on April 3, 1637, to "tenn men of 1 CONC Saugus," 1 CONT of whom he was one, authorizing them to form a new settlement in Plymouth 1 CONT Colony, with "liberty to view a place to sett downe & have sufficient 1 CONC lands 1 CONT for three score famylies." This new town was Sandwich, of which Carman 1 CONC was 1 CONT an early settler. 1 CONT 1 CONT May 15, 1998 1 CONT 1 CONT 1 CONT 1 CONT Notes,taken from the book CARMAN GENEALOGY by Wm. Stilwell 1 CONT Carman, by Linda Collins Dunham 1974. 1 CONT "Volume 6- John Carman came to New England in 1631. He 1 CONT brought with him no children, only his wife Florence. His 1 CONT first born was John 8th of 5th month (someone wrote in 1 CONT July)1633. Abigail was born --of 5th month 1635, and Caleb 1 CONT was born the first of first month (someone wrote in March) 1 CONT 1639. Author says this information is from the John Eliots 1 CONT Church membership records, Roxbury, Mass. 1 CONT The John Carman family settled in Suffolk Co., England as 1 CONT far back as 1402. They had land in Wisbick, Hammel, and 1 CONT Hempstead. John and his wife, Florence came on the ship 1 CONT "Lion" in 1631 and settled in Roxbury, Mass. , where several 1 CONT children were born. They moved to Long Island about 1643 and 1 CONT John was one of the Patentees of the township of Hempstead. 1 CONT "He was the parent of the first child born in the place of 1 CONT European descent. This was a son named Caleb, who was born 1 CONT on the 9th of January, 1646, and was blind from birth." This 1 CONT is from a newspaper article taped into Volume 6. 1 CONT John Carman came on the "Lion" with his wife. Children 1 CONT born to them were John, born 8 July 1633; Abigail, 1635; and 1 CONT Caleb, 6 August, 1639, who died young.John removed to Long 1 CONT Island and was a patentee of Hempstead. A son, Caleb, was 1 CONT born there on 9 January 1646, and was blind from birth. He 1 CONT was the first child born in Hempstead of European parents. 1 CONT This information was given to the author in a letter to him 1 CONT from Richard Carman Combes. 1 CONT John Carman came from Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire 23 1 CONT miles northwest of London to Mass. Bay. He took the oath of 1 CONT freeman in Boston on 4 March 1632. He was one of the 1 CONT deputies of the general court of Boston 1643 and 1636. 1 CONT (Someone wrote in "John came 3 November 1631") 1 CONT Page 15 - author wrote in - 1661 Petition of John Carman, 1 CONT Caleb Carman, and Benjamin Coe, husband of Abigail 1 CONT Carman...praying that John Hicks who married their mother be 1 CONT obliged to render an account of the estate, who is supposed 1 CONT to have been one of the Extrs. Author says this is from "NY 1 CONT Historical v. 88. 1 CONT Joshua Carman born at Hempstead, L.I. 1653-4. Abigail 1 CONT married Benjamin Coe (before 1661) who was born 1629. His 1 CONT father was Robert Coe and the Emigrant of that line. John 1 CONT Carman, the Immigrant, is supposed to have died about 1656. 1 CONT Page 14 - Although Caleb Carman was blind from birth, he 1 CONT was a useful man and the ancestor of many progeny." 1 CONT 1 CONT 1 CONT 1 CONT Ed in St. Louis 1 CONT 1 CONT May 15, 1998 1 CONT 1 CONT 1 CONT 1 CONT Repost Apr., 1995: 1 CONT 1 CONT Recently I received mail from another Carman researcher, there were 1 CONC copies of 1 CONT three items: The Family of Richard4 Carman of Woodbridge, New Jersey 1 CONC which 1 CONT was recently posted by Daniel Carman; JOHN CARMAN, By Edith Carman Hay; 1 CONC and 1 CONT the following: 1 CONT 1 CONT GREAT MIGRATION NEWSLETTER, Vol. 2 April-June 1991 NO. 2 1 CONT JOHN CARMAN AND JOHN KIRMAN 1 CONT 1 CONT How many John Carmns were there in New England before 1634? How 1 CONC many John 1 CONT Moores? How many John Smiths? This question arises again and again in 1 CONC the 1 CONT Great Migration Study Project, and indeed, in genealogical problems of any 1 CONT time and place. By studying the case of John Carman and John Kirman, we 1 CONC will 1 CONT see how such problems are resolved; at the same time, we will be able to 1 CONT apply some of the lessons learned in previus issues of the Newsletter 1 CONC about 1 CONT various categories of records. 1 CONT 1 CONT Our starting point is the relevant entry inthe Roxbury church 1 CONC records, 1 CONT maintined by Reverend John Eliot. These records were obviously written 1 CONC at a 1 CONT late date, but appear to be quite faithful in entering church members in 1 CONT their proper order of admission. Of interest to us is an early entry: 1 CONC "John 1 CONT Carman. He came to N. E. in the year 1631. He brought no children." The 1 CONT entry goes on to list the births of three children in 1633, 1635 and 1639 1 CONT (presumably 1639/40). Although the record does not so state explicity, 1 CONC the 1 CONT implicaton is that Carman resided in Roxbury continuously from 1631 to 1 CONC 1640, 1 CONT at a minimum. Somewhat later than John, but not more than a year or so, 1 CONT Florence Carman, wife of John, is admitted to Roxbury church. 1 CONT 1 CONT This Roxbury church record serves as an anchor, to which other data 1 CONC may be 1 CONT added. Addition records for John Carman, or Kirman, or other variants, 1 CONT appear in Lynn, Cambridge, Sandwich and Hempstead. Our task is to sort 1 CONT through these and see if they all relate to the Roxbury man, or whether a 1 CONT second John Carman/Kirman must be postulated. (Half a century ago, Edith 1 CONT Carman Hay and Sidney Wilson tackled these records, and came to the 1 CONT conclusion that there was only on John Carman {New York Genealogical and 1 CONT Biographical Record 60 (1929):332-36}; this article should be compared 1 CONC with 1 CONT the conclusions reached here.) 1 CONT 1 CONT Our first point of departure is the lists of deputies to the General 1 CONC Court, 1 CONT where we find a JOhn Kirman on 4 March 1634/5, and again on 7 December 1 CONC 1636 1 CONT Was this the Roxbury man, representing that town? At this date, nine 1 CONC towns 1 CONT could send deputies (Boston, Charlestown, Dorchester, Roxbury, Watertown, 1 CONT Cambridge, Lynn, Salem and Ipswich), and each town was permitted three 1 CONT representatives. there should, therefore, have been twenty-seven 1 CONC deputies at 1 CONT this court, but only twenty-five appear in the list, since the first 1 CONC order of 1 CONT business of the court was to examine the credentials of the delegates from 1 CONT Ipswich and reject two of them (Mr. Easton and Henry Short) as being 1 CONC "unduly 1 CONT chosen," leaving only Mr. John Spencer as legally elected. 1 CONT 1 CONT The remaining twenty-four men must be allocated to the eight older 1 CONC towns. 1 CONT There is no difficulty find three deputies from Roxbury (Lt. Richard 1 CONC Morris, 1 CONT William Dennison and John Johnson), so Kirman cannot be from that town, as 1 CONT some have thought. When we have sorted through the remaining twenty-one, 1 CONC the 1 CONT slots for Boston, Cambridge, Salem, Dorchester, Watertown and Charlestown 1 CONC are 1 CONT filled with well-known names, leaving only Capt. Nathaniel Turner, Mr. 1 CONT Timothy Tomlins and John Kirman. the first two are readily associated 1 CONC with 1 CONT Lynn, and we conclude that Kirman is the third representative from that 1 CONC town. 1 CONT 1 CONT 1 CONT 0 @I01034@ INDI 1 NAME Florence /Fordham/ 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE 1610 2 PLAC Hempstead, S., England 1 DEAT 2 DATE ABT. 1661 2 PLAC Hempstead L.I. 1 _FA1 2 PLAC One theory:sister or aunt of Rev. Fordham 1 _FA2 2 PLAC Others: debate Fordham line 1 FAMS @F23@ 1 FAMC @F26@ 1 NOTE @NI01034@ 0 @NI01034@ NOTE 1 CONC 1 CONT Repost Apr., 1995: 1 CONT 1 CONT Recently I received mail from another Carman researcher, there were 1 CONC copies of 1 CONT three items: The Family of Richard4 Carman of Woodbridge, New Jersey 1 CONC which 1 CONT was recently posted by Daniel Carman; JOHN CARMAN, By Edith Carman Hay; 1 CONC and 1 CONT the following: 1 CONT 1 CONT GREAT MIGRATION NEWSLETTER, Vol. 2 April-June 1991 NO. 2 1 CONT JOHN CARMAN AND JOHN KIRMAN 1 CONT 1 CONT How many John Carmns were there in New England before 1634? How 1 CONC many John 1 CONT Moores? How many John Smiths? This question arises again and again in 1 CONC the 1 CONT Great Migration Study Project, and indeed, in genealogical problems of any 1 CONT time and place. By studying the case of John Carman and John Kirman, we 1 CONC will 1 CONT see how such problems are resolved; at the same time, we will be able to 1 CONT apply some of the lessons learned in previus issues of the Newsletter 1 CONC about 1 CONT various categories of records. 1 CONT 1 CONT Our starting point is the relevant entry inthe Roxbury church 1 CONC records, 1 CONT maintined by Reverend John Eliot. These records were obviously written 1 CONC at a 1 CONT late date, but appear to be quite faithful in entering church members in 1 CONT their proper order of admission. Of interest to us is an early entry: 1 CONC "John 1 CONT Carman. He came to N. E. in the year 1631. He brought no children." The 1 CONT entry goes on to list the births of three children in 1633, 1635 and 1639 1 CONT (presumably 1639/40). Although the record does not so state explicity, 1 CONC the 1 CONT implicaton is that Carman resided in Roxbury continuously from 1631 to 1 CONC 1640, 1 CONT at a minimum. Somewhat later than John, but not more than a year or so, 1 CONT Florence Carman, wife of John, is admitted to Roxbury church. 1 CONT 1 CONT This Roxbury church record serves as an anchor, to which other data 1 CONC may be 1 CONT added. Addition records for John Carman, or Kirman, or other variants, 1 CONT appear in Lynn, Cambridge, Sandwich and Hempstead. Our task is to sort 1 CONT through these and see if they all relate to the Roxbury man, or whether a 1 CONT second John Carman/Kirman must be postulated. (Half a century ago, Edith 1 CONT Carman Hay and Sidney Wilson tackled these records, and came to the 1 CONT conclusion that there was only on John Carman {New York Genealogical and 1 CONT Biographical Record 60 (1929):332-36}; this article should be compared 1 CONC with 1 CONT the conclusions reached here.) 1 CONT 1 CONT Our first point of departure is the lists of deputies to the General 1 CONC Court, 1 CONT where we find a JOhn Kirman on 4 March 1634/5, and again on 7 December 1 CONC 1636 1 CONT Was this the Roxbury man, representing that town? At this date, nine 1 CONC towns 1 CONT could send deputies (Boston, Charlestown, Dorchester, Roxbury, Watertown, 1 CONT Cambridge, Lynn, Salem and Ipswich), and each town was permitted three 1 CONT representatives. there should, therefore, have been twenty-seven 1 CONC deputies at 1 CONT this court, but only twenty-five appear in the list, since the first 1 CONC order of 1 CONT business of the court was to examine the credentials of the delegates from 1 CONT Ipswich and reject two of them (Mr. Easton and Henry Short) as being 1 CONC "unduly 1 CONT chosen," leaving only Mr. John Spencer as legally elected. 1 CONT 1 CONT The remaining twenty-four men must be allocated to the eight older 1 CONC towns. 1 CONT There is no difficulty find three deputies from Roxbury (Lt. Richard 1 CONC Morris, 1 CONT William Dennison and John Johnson), so Kirman cannot be from that town, as 1 CONT some have thought. When we have sorted through the remaining twenty-one, 1 CONC the 1 CONT slots for Boston, Cambridge, Salem, Dorchester, Watertown and Charlestown 1 CONC are 1 CONT filled with well-known names, leaving only Capt. Nathaniel Turner, Mr. 1 CONT Timothy Tomlins and John Kirman. the first two are readily associated 1 CONC with 1 CONT Lynn, and we conclude that Kirman is the third representative from that 1 CONC town. 1 CONT 1 CONT 1 CONT On 7 December 1636 Goo(dman) John Kirman was again a deputy to the 1 CONC General 1 CONT Court. By this time the number of deputes that any town could send had 1 CONC been 1 CONT changed, and was now deteremined as a proportion of the number of freemen 1 CONC in 1 CONT the town. thus, there might be one, two or three representatives per 1 CONC town. 1 CONT Charlestown, Watertown and Boston, as the largest and wealthiest of the 1 CONC Bay 1 CONT communities, sent three delegates each to this court. Most other towns 1 CONC sent 1 CONT two, but between the two men from Dorchester and the two from Salem are 1 CONC two 1 CONT names: Kirman, and William reade. The latter was an associate of Joseph 1 CONC Hull 1 CONT in the early settlement of Weymouth, and was the sole representative of 1 CONC that 1 CONT town at this particular court. Kirman, then, was the only one on the list 1 CONT who could have been sent by Lynn. 1 CONT 1 CONT Only a few of the most prominent men were deputies, but even so, 1 CONC much useful 1 CONT information is obtained by analysis of these lists. For examples, Mr. 1 CONC John 1 CONT Spencer represented Ipswich on 6 May 1635 and Newbury on 2 September 1635, 1 CONT and Mr. Daniel Dennison sat for Cambridge on 2 September 1635 and Ipswich 1 CONC on 1 CONT 3 March 1635/6, so for these two men we have relatively narrow time frames 1 CONT for their migrations within New England. At the court for 6 May 1635 1 CONC appears 1 CONT a deputy by the name of William Parker, a name that appears nowhere else 1 CONC this 1 CONT early in New England; by the same process of allocation and elimination 1 CONT described above, it appears that he must have served from Roxbury, which 1 CONT leads to the conclusion that the name should actually be William Parkes, a 1 CONT prominent Roxbury resident. 1 CONT 1 CONT On 3 September 1634 the General Court appointed John Kirman to a 1 CONC committee 1 CONT "to set out the bounds of all towns not yet set out, or in difference 1 CONC betwixt 1 CONT any town." Appointments to such committees were frequently made so that 1 CONC each 1 CONT town would have one member, and such an arrangement would seem to be 1 CONT especially appropriate for a committee with responsibility for 1 CONC boundaries. 1 CONT (For a similar example see on the same date the committee of "overseers of 1 CONT the powder and shot, & all other ammunition, in the several plantations 1 CONC where 1 CONT they live.") The members of the committee on the boundaries are Mr. 1 CONC {John} 1 CONT Oldham (Watertown), Mr. Daniel Dennison (Cambridge), Ralph Sprague 1 CONT (Charlestown), Edmond Quincy (Boston), Mr. {Richard} Dummer (Roxbury), 1 CONC Ensign 1 CONT {Israel} Stoughton (Dorchester), John KIrman, and Mr. John Spencer 1 CONC (Ipswich), 1 CONT and again John Kirman must be the member for Lynn. 1 CONT 1 CONT On 4 March 1632/3 John Kirman was thirteenth in a list of eighteen 1 CONC men made 1 CONT free on that date. The first five were from Roxbury, followed by five 1 CONC from 1 CONT Dorchester, two from Cambridge (John White and William Spencer), and then 1 CONT John Kirman and Timothy Tomlins. At this date neither Cambridge nor Lynn 1 CONC had 1 CONT an organized church, so residents of these towns must have joined other 1 CONT churches prior to admission as freemen. For Cambridge the most likely 1 CONC choice 1 CONT would be Watertown, and for Lynn, Salem. John Kirman is followed 1 CONC immediately 1 CONT by Timothy Tomlins, a Lynn resident and his colleague as deputy on 4 March 1 CONT 1634/5, so it is likely that this John Kirman was a resident of Lynn and 1 CONT member of Salem church, and this also meshes with the requirement that all 1 CONT deputies be freemen. (There is a possibility that at this point he 1 CONC should be 1 CONT associated with the Cambridge men, since John Kirman, almost certainly the 1 CONT Lynn man, appears on earliest list of Cambridge residents, presumably for 1 CONT 1632, along with William spencer; in any case, this freeman is not the 1 CONT Roxbury man.). 1 CONT 1 CONT We now have John Kirman associated with Lynn on four different dates, 1 CONT spanning a period from March 1632/3 to December 1636. Durng this same 1 CONC time 1 CONT frame John Carman in Roxbury had a son John born 8 July 1633 and daughter 1 CONT Abigail born in July 1635. The conclusion is inescapable: there were two 1 CONT men of the name John Carman/Kirman in New England at this early date. 1 CONC One of 1 CONT the "ten men of Saugus" authorized by the Plymouth Court on3 April 1637 to 1 CONT settle Sandwich was John Carman, who appears in the Plymouth records 1 CONC several 1 CONT times in 1638 and 1640; again this conflicts with the birth of Caleb, son 1 CONC of 1 CONT John Carman, in rRoxbury in March 1639/40. After 1640 John Carman 1 CONC disappears 1 CONT from the Plymouth records, and he may have returned to England. On the 1 CONC other 1 CONT hand, an associate of Robert Fordham in the founding of Hempstead on Long 1 CONT Island in 1643 is John Carman, and since this man has wife Florence and 1 CONT children John, Abigail and Caleb, it is easy to see that he is the Roxbury 1 CONT man. 1 CONT 1 CONT These is much more to the story than this. Much of the confusion 1 CONC arises 1 CONT because both men arrived in New England in 1631, a year in which fewer 1 CONC than 1 CONT one hundred new immigrants arrived. John of Roxbury and Hempstead 1 CONC apparently 1 CONT came on the Lion in November with John Eliot, his pastor at Roxbury, 1 CONC while 1 CONT John of Cambridge, Lynn and Sandwich was a passenger on the Plough, and a 1 CONT member of the Company of Husbandmen, a fascinating group associated with 1 CONC the 1 CONT Reverend Stephen Bachiler. 1 CONT 1 CONT Furthermore, Richard Dummer, who had travelled with Bachiler and who 1 CONC was 1 CONT also associated with the Company of Husbandmen, settled first at Roxbury. 1 CONT Thus, a prominent member of the Company was at each of the towns in which 1 CONT resided a John Carman or Kirman. Nevertheless, the analysis presented 1 CONC above 1 CONT shows that the Plough passenger must have gone to Lynn. 1 CONT 1 CONT Because John Kirman of Lynn and Sandwich had no children, he could 1 CONC easily be 1 CONT combined with John Carman without any dire genealogical consequences. 1 CONC But a 1 CONT search for John Kirman of Sandwich after 1640 would be worthwhile, and 1 CONC should 1 CONT be feasible since he was a man of some prominence. Perhaps he returned to 1 CONT England to participate in the events of the Civil War. 1 CONT 1 CONT In any case, the analysis displayed here in sorting out two men of 1 CONC the same 1 CONT name is being aplied to all participants in the early phase of the Great 1 CONT Migration, in order to answer a wider range of questions relating to the 1 CONT details of residence, of time of mgiration, and of association with other 1 CONT immigrants. 1 CONT 1 CONT May 10, 1998 0 @I01035@ INDI 1 NAME Nathan /Valentine/ 1 SEX M 1 FAMS @F21@ 1 FAMC @F27@ 0 @I01036@ INDI 1 NAME Richard /Valentine/ 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE ABT. 1610 2 PLAC Prob of parish of Eccles in Lancastershire England 1 FAMS @F27@ 0 @I01037@ INDI 1 NAME Johnathan /Bloomfield/ 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE 25 AUG 1735 2 PLAC NY 1 DEAT 2 DATE 1810 1 _FA1 2 PLAC possible other wife Elizabeth Wood 1 _FA2 2 PLAC Burlow wife from Platt Soper Bible 1 _FA3 2 PLAC DAR Patriot Index PS NJ 1 FAMS @F20@ 0 @I01059@ INDI 1 NAME John /Carman/ 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE 1584 2 PLAC Surrey England 1 FAMS @F25@ 1 NOTE @NI01059@ 0 @NI01059@ NOTE 1 CONC From: Helen_Silvey@@bbs.macnexus.org (Helen Silvey) 1 CONT Sender: carman-owner@@wombat.cusd.chico.k12.ca.us 1 CONT Reply-to: carman@@cusd.chico.k12.ca.us 1 CONT To: carman@@cusd.chico.k12.ca.us 1 CONT 1 CONT 24 in Cinque Records and his son 1 CONT 8. Henry 1254 same recs. of Harwich & Herts County who is clearly as 1 CONC son of 1 CONT #7 in so-called 2nd historic census of Eng. AD1225 (1275?) the Rotuli 1 CONT Hundredorum or Hundred Rolls. He holds a manor and desmesnes at Hemel 1 CONT Hempstead is also referred to as Henry Carman and "Matilda his wife". 1 CONT 9. (no notes taken) 1 CONT 10. Wm. 1299, heir to #9, who has 1 CONT 11. Wm. b. 1325, who has 1 CONT 12. Jhn, b. 1354, who has 1 CONT 13. John, b. 1378 by wife Ann Stratford, has son 1 CONT 14. Henry, b. 1404, who is only surviving heir 1 CONT 15. Thomas, b. 1430 has 1 CONT 16. Thomas, b. 1459 has 1 CONT 17. John, b. 1482 (who amont others) has 1 CONT 18. Thomas, b. 1517 and Wm. b. ?, both Puritan leaders & both burned at 1 CONC the 1 CONT stake at Norwich, Wm. 1557 & Thomas in 1558 along with Wm. Seaman of 1 CONT Mendelsham in Norfolk. Soon after a dau. of Wm. mar. a son of the martyr, 1 CONT Wm. Seaman (See Bloomfield's "Hist. of Norforlk"; Neal's "Puritan 1 CONC Martyrs"). 1 CONT Thomas, b. 1517, had 3 sons: 1 CONT 19. Thomas b. 1539, d. 1548 1 CONT 19. John, b. 1541 1 CONT 19. Henry b. 1547 who had 1 CONT 20. Henry, b. 1547, who i 1620 went to Va. in ship "Duty" (Hatton's "Orig. 1 CONT Lists of Immigrants from 1600 to 1700"). Also see Account of him in 1 CONC "Makers 1 CONT of the Nation." 1 CONT BACK TO 1 CONT 18. Thomas, b. 1517 who had 1 CONT 19. John, b. 1541, who had 1 CONT 20. John, b. 1563 who had 1 CONT 21. John, b. 1584, father of 1 CONT 22. John, d. 1653, Puritan Ancestor of Plymouth Colony, 1631, on ship 1 CONC "Lyon" 1 CONT and was of LYnn where in 1632 he and wife Florence (dau. of Rev. Robert 1 CONT Fordham) and son John (1634) and a dau. Abigail. Next of Wethersfield, 1 CONT Colony of Conn. and in 1641 one of original patentees of Stamford, Conn., 1 CONC and 1 CONT in 1647 with others negotiated purchase of about 120,000 acres on L.I. 1 CONC from 1 CONT L.I. Sound to Atlantic, of Rockaway and Merrick tribes of Indians. In 1 CONC 1644 1 CONT this purchase was confirmed to himself (John Carman) and 6 other 1 CONC Englishmen. 1 CONT One of them was Capt. John Seaman, who in 1641 was co-patentee of 1 CONC Stamford. 1 CONT In 1644 John Carman was one of the 1st five families to settle on ths 1 CONC patent. 1 CONT First child born in settlement was Caleb. 1 CONT 1 CONT 1 CONT 1 CONT May 11, 1998 1 CONT 1 CONT 1 CONT 1 CONT Date: 98-05-10 12:07:48 EDT 1 CONT From: Helen_Silvey@@bbs.macnexus.org (Helen Silvey) 1 CONT Sender: carman-owner@@wombat.cusd.chico.k12.ca.us 1 CONT Reply-to: carman@@cusd.chico.k12.ca.us 1 CONT To: carman@@cusd.chico.k12.ca.us 1 CONT 1 CONT Repost Apr., 1995 1 CONT 1 CONT May 10Did you ever get into another file and find something you didn't 1 CONC know 1 CONT you had? Here is another line of desc. for Carmans: 1 CONT 1. John Carman, b. Surrey, Eng. - Held lordship in Surrey 1042 1 CONT 2. John Carman, b. Surrey, Eng., - Knight in First Crusade 1096 1 CONT 3. John Carman, b. Surrey, Eng., - Holds same lands as above 1 CONT 4. William Carman, b. Surrey, Eng., Holds same manor 1149 1 CONT 5. William Carman, b. Surrey, Eng., Holds land i Surrey 1171 1 CONT 6. Thomas Carman, b. Surrey, Eng., Holds lands 1199 1 CONT 7. John Carman, b. Hemel Hempstead in ----- Parts records 1224 1 CONT 8. Henry Carman, b. ditto, in same records Harwiche Harts 1250 1 CONT 9. Henry Carman, b. ditto - Hold manor at Harwich Harts 1273 census 1 CONT 10. William Carman, b. ditto 1299. Succeeded as heir to the new 1 CONT 11. William Carman, b. ditto 1322 1 CONT 12. John Carman, b. ditto 1354 1 CONT 13. John Carman, b. ditto 1378 1 CONT 14. Henry Carman, b. ditto 1404 1 CONT 15. Thomas Carman, b. ditto 1429 1 CONT 16. Thomas Carman, b. ditto 1459 1 CONT 17. John Carman, b. ditto 1482 1 CONT 18. Thomas Carman, b. ditto 1517 Puritan leader burned at stake, Norwich 1 CONC 1558 1 CONT 19. John Carman, b. ditto 1541 1 CONT 20. John Carman, b. ditto 1563 1 CONT 21. JOhn Carman, b. ditto 1584 1 CONT 22. John Carman, b. ditto 1606 Puritan Father of Plymouth Colony. m. 1 CONC Florence 1 CONT Fordham, dau. of Rev. Robt. Fordham. Sailed to New Eng. 1631 on 1 CONC "Lyon" d. 1 CONT 1653, Hempstead, L.I., N.Y. Ch..: 1 CONT John, Jr. (1633-1684) 1 CONT Abigail (1635- ) 1 CONT Caleb (1639-1693) 1 CONT Joshua (1645-1720) 1 CONT Thomas ? 1 CONT 23. John Carman, Jr., b. Roxbury, Mass. 1632/33 m. Hannah Seaman d. 1684, 1 CONT Ch.: 1 CONT John 3 (1656-1677) 1 CONT Caleb (1657-1729) 1 CONT Benjamin (1658-1691) 1 CONT Abigail (1659- ) 1 CONT Samuel (ca1660-1729) 1 CONT Hannah (1662- ) 1 CONT Thomas (1663-1760/1) 1 CONT Joshua (ca1665- ) 1 CONT Joseph (ca1667- ) 1 CONT 24. Caleb Carman b. 1657 Hempstead, N.Y., d. Oct. 1729 m. 1. ? 2. Ann, 1 CONC Ch. by 1 CONT 2nd mar.: 1 CONT Grace (1706- ) 1 CONT Mary (1708- ) 1 CONT Roseanne (1711- ) 1 CONT Benjamin (1714-1795) 1 CONT Samuel (1718- ) 1 CONT Adam (1721-1781) 1 CONT 25. Banjamin Carman b. Jan. 23, 1714, Hempsted, L.I., d. Oct. 16, 1795 1 CONC mar. 1 CONT Mary Bedell, ch.: 1 CONT Samuel (1749-1817) 1 CONT Stephen (1851-1924) 1 CONT Mary (1755-1824) 1 CONT Richard (1757-1817) 1 CONT Ann (1759- ) 1 CONT John (1769- )? 1 CONT Elizabeth (1761- )? 1 CONT 26. Richard Carman b. Nov. 11, 1757, L.I., d. July 7, 1817 mar. Sarah 1 CONC Hewlett 1 CONT Horsefield, ch.: 1 CONT William (1780-1857) 1 CONT Samuel (1782-1864) 1 CONT Banjamin (1785-1795) 1 CONT Maria (1788-1828) 1 CONT Sarah Ann (1789-1859_ 1 CONT Thos. Horsefield (1792-1852) 1 CONT Gerhardus Clowes (1794-1866) 1 CONT Fanny Louisa Sophia (1797-1845) 1 CONT Elizabeth (Betsy) (1800-1873) 1 CONT Richard Hewlett (1803-1873) 1 CONT Stephen (1805- ) 1 CONT 27. William Carman b. Jan. 11, 1780, d. Dec. 9, 1851, Chatham, N.B. mar. 1 CONC Ann 1 CONT Sharman 1803, Ch.: 1 CONT William, Jr., (1804-1855) 1 CONT Ambrose Sharman (1807-1850) 1 CONT Richard (1809-1835) 1 CONT Henry Chas. Darling (1812-1859) 1 CONT Thos. Horsefield (1816-1858) 1 CONT 28. Thos. Horsefield Carman, b. 1816, d. 1858 Bathurst, N.B., mar. Mary 1 CONT Waitt, Ch.: 1 CONT Samuel Waitt (1845- ) 1 CONT William Thos. (1848-1848) 1 CONT Ambrose Sharman (1849-1919) 1 CONT Annie (1852- ) 1 CONT Thos. Horsefield, Jr., (1854- ) 1 CONT Richard Francis (1856- ) 1 CONT 29. Ambrose Sharman Carman b. Sept. 7, 1849, Bathurst, N.B., d. 1919, mar. 1 CONT Estelle Davenport (1857- 1913) Ch.: 1 CONT Clyde (1877-1955) 1 CONT Ralph (1885-1933) (Batchelor) 1 CONT 30. Clyde Carman, b. 1877, d. 1955 mar. Isabelle L. Taylor, Oakland, Ca., 1 CONT Ch.: 0 @I01060@ INDI 1 NAME /Abigail/ 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE ABT. 1584 1 FAMS @F25@ 0 @I01061@ INDI 1 NAME Robert /Fordlam/ 1 SEX M 1 _FA1 2 PLAC Reverend 1 FAMS @F26@ 0 @I01064@ INDI 1 NAME Anna /Burlow/ 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE 18 MAY 1733 1 _FA1 2 PLAC Marriage from Platt Soper Bible to Bloomfield 1 FAMS @F20@ 0 @I01102@ INDI 1 NAME John /Seaman/ 1 SEX M 1 DEAT 2 DATE 1695 1 _FA2 2 PLAC A Quaker 1 FAMS @F24@ 0 @I01103@ INDI 1 NAME Hannah /Strickland/ 1 SEX F 1 FAMS @F24@ 0 @I01109@ INDI 1 NAME William /McIntyre/ 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE ABT. 1750 1 DEAT 2 DATE ABT. 1820 2 PLAC Buck Co., PA 1 FAMS @F07@ 0 @I01116@ INDI 1 NAME Platt /Soper/ 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE 1805 2 PLAC Long Island NY 1 DEAT 2 PLAC Probably Wisconsin 1 FAMS @F05@ 1 FAMC @F10@ 0 @I09493@ INDI 1 NAME John /Carman/ 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE 1741 2 SOUR LDS 0860327 Abstracts of wills suffolk 1809-59 Scudder Collection - Hunt Hist Soc 1 DEAT 2 DATE 20 APR 1825 2 SOUR LDS 0860327 Abstracts of wills suffolk 1809-59 Scudder Collection - Hunt Hist Soc 1 FAMS @F19@ 1 FAMC @F30@ 0 @I20668@ INDI 1 NAME Benjamin /Carman/ 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE ABT. 1660 1 FAMS @F30@ 1 FAMC @F22@ 0 @F01@ FAM 1 HUSB @I00839@ 1 WIFE @I00842@ 1 CHIL @I00721@ 1 MARR 2 DATE 24 MAR 1869 2 PLAC Muscoda, Wisconsin (At Depot) 0 @F02@ FAM 1 HUSB @I00840@ 1 WIFE @I00841@ 1 CHIL @I00839@ 1 MARR 2 DATE 8 SEP 1842 0 @F03@ FAM 1 HUSB @I00843@ 1 WIFE @I00844@ 1 CHIL @I00840@ 1 MARR 2 DATE 20 OCT 1796 2 PLAC Newton, Ohio 0 @F04@ FAM 1 HUSB @I00847@ 1 WIFE @I00848@ 1 CHIL @I00841@ 1 MARR 2 DATE ABT. 1815 2 PLAC Pennsylvania 0 @F05@ FAM 1 HUSB @I01116@ 1 WIFE @I00999@ 1 CHIL @I00842@ 0 @F06@ FAM 1 HUSB @I00845@ 1 WIFE @I00846@ 1 CHIL @I00844@ 1 MARR 2 DATE 25 JUN 1776 0 @F07@ FAM 1 HUSB @I01109@ 1 CHIL @I00847@ 0 @F08@ FAM 1 HUSB @I00849@ 1 CHIL @I00848@ 0 @F09@ FAM 1 HUSB @I01020@ 1 WIFE @I01021@ 1 CHIL @I00999@ 1 MARR 2 DATE 15 APR 1797 2 PLAC Long Island, NY 0 @F10@ FAM 1 HUSB @I01000@ 1 WIFE @I01001@ 1 CHIL @I01116@ 1 MARR 2 DATE 1798 0 @F11@ FAM 1 HUSB @I01002@ 1 WIFE @I01003@ 1 CHIL @I01000@ 1 MARR 2 DATE 1769 2 PLAC NY 0 @F12@ FAM 1 HUSB @I01011@ 1 WIFE @I01012@ 1 CHIL @I01001@ 0 @F13@ FAM 1 HUSB @I01004@ 1 WIFE @I01005@ 1 CHIL @I01002@ 1 MARR 2 DATE 1734 2 PLAC Huntington, LI, NY 0 @F14@ FAM 1 HUSB @I01013@ 1 WIFE @I01014@ 1 CHIL @I01011@ 0 @F15@ FAM 1 HUSB @I01013@ 0 @F16@ FAM 1 HUSB @I01015@ 1 WIFE @I01016@ 1 CHIL @I01013@ 1 MARR 2 PLAC Fairfield CT 0 @F17@ FAM 1 HUSB @I01017@ 1 WIFE @I01018@ 1 CHIL @I01015@ 0 @F18@ FAM 1 HUSB @I01019@ 1 CHIL @I01016@ 0 @F19@ FAM 1 HUSB @I09493@ 1 WIFE @I01023@ 1 CHIL @I01020@ 0 @F20@ FAM 1 HUSB @I01037@ 1 WIFE @I01064@ 1 CHIL @I01021@ 0 @F21@ FAM 1 HUSB @I01035@ 1 CHIL @I01023@ 0 @F22@ FAM 1 HUSB @I01031@ 1 WIFE @I01032@ 1 CHIL @I20668@ 0 @F23@ FAM 1 HUSB @I01033@ 1 WIFE @I01034@ 1 CHIL @I01031@ 0 @F24@ FAM 1 HUSB @I01102@ 1 WIFE @I01103@ 1 CHIL @I01032@ 0 @F25@ FAM 1 HUSB @I01059@ 1 WIFE @I01060@ 1 CHIL @I01033@ 0 @F26@ FAM 1 HUSB @I01061@ 1 CHIL @I01034@ 0 @F27@ FAM 1 HUSB @I01036@ 1 CHIL @I01035@ 0 @F28@ FAM 1 WIFE @I01012@ 0 @F29@ FAM 1 HUSB @I01013@ 0 @F30@ FAM 1 HUSB @I20668@ 1 CHIL @I09493@ 0 @S001214@ SOUR 1 TITL The Great Migration Begins 0 TRLR